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Old 04-17-2019, 07:55 PM
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Agree with others above, it sounds like this is the best choice for you. I would also try and find a worked in flat S-line or C-Line CD2 just to throw and compare. You might like the extra turn they will exhibit.

Pro Thundy's are really nice and fun to throw. I wouldn't trust it into a headwind after a few rounds of abuse though. They have a ton of glide and I'd liken them to a fresh CD2. I was trying to work one to the point of a roller and cycle it along side 2 premium Thundy's but it didn't work out. I didn't throw them for 2 seasons though which is at least how long it would have taken to accomplish kicking out all the worked in FD3 and PD I already carry.

Flat CD2s are the way to go if you want a premium plastic but more workable Thundy. They don't handle headwind as well (FD3 or PD for that). Star Thundy's are much more OS than Champ. Champ are nice, and once broken in become more workable but they won't develop turn as much as they just lose fade. Basically exactly like how a Teebird seasons. I know there are some less stable Thundy runs out there but in general you can expect 0 turn out of the box, -.5 once really worked in.

I tried both the CD2 and the Thundy last year. In the end only 1 CD2 stayed in my bag. Neither could replace the 2 FD3 and 3 PD I carry. The workable straight flier that holds lines and fades better than a RR or SW is what I kept the flat CD2 for.

At 350' I would put them as follows:

Champ Thundy - Straight, holds hyzer line, flips to flat but not over, pans straight out of anhyzer, not much drift right, finished left of center. Good for cut rollers that won't flip

CD2 - Straight, holds hyzer lines, flips to flat but not over, holds anhyzer longer, a little drift right, finished just left of center. Good for cut rollers that eventually flip at end.

SW - Requires the most learning of the 4 discs. Versatile as long as no headwind and willing to throw steep hyzer angles to achieve straight flights. Works right, flips flat and over, small fade, holds anhyzer to ground, finishes right of center. Good for long straight rollers that finish right.

Barsby RR - Super easy to throw. Lazer straight on hyzer. Flips to flat and over. Moves less laterally than the SW. finishes straight on line. Holds anhyzer to ground, finishes right of center. Good for long straight rollers that finish right. More stable than previous production runs of RR that I have thrown. Still moves less laterally on a flat release than the SW. Less turn and less fade.
Wow, excellent write up. Cheers.

Will study that
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Old 05-22-2019, 07:38 PM
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I just saw some champ thundies at a local shop without pauls name on them. First time I had seen that, but they had a really nice dome to them and I was hoping that they would be a little more mellow than the ones that have been coming out lately. Nope. Holy crap these things are overstable. They are more overstable than the overstable star thundies are. I also picked up a really nice feeling, domey pro and it was also really overstable. I am going to end up throwing vultures here soon if PDs and Thunderbirds keep getting molded up like they are a firebird.
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Old 05-22-2019, 08:41 PM
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I just saw some champ thundies at a local shop without pauls name on them. First time I had seen that, but they had a really nice dome to them and I was hoping that they would be a little more mellow than the ones that have been coming out lately. Nope. Holy crap these things are overstable. They are more overstable than the overstable star thundies are. I also picked up a really nice feeling, domey pro and it was also really overstable. I am going to end up throwing vultures here soon if PDs and Thunderbirds keep getting molded up like they are a firebird.
Weird that these seem to be more overstable. It used to be that the flatter the Thunderbird, the more overstable, similar to the Firebird. But a Pro that starts overstable sounds intriguing just like the awesome first run of DX.
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Old 05-23-2019, 10:58 AM
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I just saw some champ thundies at a local shop without pauls name on them. First time I had seen that, but they had a really nice dome to them and I was hoping that they would be a little more mellow than the ones that have been coming out lately. Nope. Holy crap these things are overstable. They are more overstable than the overstable star thundies are. I also picked up a really nice feeling, domey pro and it was also really overstable. I am going to end up throwing vultures here soon if PDs and Thunderbirds keep getting molded up like they are a firebird.
I really, really like the Getaway in the Thunderbird slot. Burst Fuzion is a great middle of the road stability. Biofuzions beat in quick and then hold at avery nice stability level. Not as familiar with Lucids in the mold, as my only Lucid Getaway is a First Run and those had a reputation of being extra beefy. Lucid-X also is a great choice if you want a Getaway with some teeth. But for what you're describing, I would absolutely check out the Burst Fuzion Getaways. And like the Thunderbird, it seems like more dome = more stability for Getaways.
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:41 AM
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I really, really like the Getaway in the Thunderbird slot. Burst Fuzion is a great middle of the road stability. Biofuzions beat in quick and then hold at avery nice stability level. Not as familiar with Lucids in the mold, as my only Lucid Getaway is a First Run and those had a reputation of being extra beefy. Lucid-X also is a great choice if you want a Getaway with some teeth. But for what you're describing, I would absolutely check out the Burst Fuzion Getaways. And like the Thunderbird, it seems like more dome = more stability for Getaways.
I like the Getaway too, but I'd still rather throw a Thunderbird. Innova's plastic simply doesn't wear out and get flippy like DD's does.

Brand new a Getaway is exactly like a good Thunderbird. They don't stay that way long though.

The only Thunderbirds I wasn't crazy about were G*. They're a little flippy and do poorly in wind. When I throw a Thunderbird I don't want any high speed turn.
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Innova's plastic simply doesn't wear out and get flippy like DD's does.
This. And that's true for a great many more molds than just the Getaway.
The River. Notorious for getting flippy too quickly.


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The only Thunderbirds I wasn't crazy about were G*. They're a little flippy and do poorly in wind. When I throw a Thunderbird I don't want any high speed turn.
It was my GStar Thundy that turned me against GStar...
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Old 05-23-2019, 01:02 PM
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I like the Getaway too, but I'd still rather throw a Thunderbird. Innova's plastic simply doesn't wear out and get flippy like DD's does.

Brand new a Getaway is exactly like a good Thunderbird. They don't stay that way long though.

The only Thunderbirds I wasn't crazy about were G*. They're a little flippy and do poorly in wind. When I throw a Thunderbird I don't want any high speed turn.
I understand the sentiment, but the poster is looking for a Thunderbird that will be beat in a bit relative to the beefcake Star Thundies that are rolling out these days. Getaway is exactly that, especially since the 'new' is kicked off it pretty quick in DD plastic. Also, my main Getaway for the past 8 months has been a Burst Fuzion that is just now starting to show some turn in moderate headwinds or on an uncharacteristically ugly OAT release. But for the first 8 months it flew a true 9/5/0/2 for me. So if it takes 8 months to get to 9/5/-0.25/2, it's not exactly made of porcelain. Although the Biofuzions get to 9/5/-1.5/2 in a heartbeat, which is why they make a perfect complement to the Lucid, Lucid-X, and Fuzion runs.
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I've been bagging a Prodigy H3V2 in place of my pro Thundy. Thundy's season ssooooooo slowly for me due to not playing as frequently as I would like.
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I like the Getaway too, but I'd still rather throw a Thunderbird. Innova's plastic simply doesn't wear out and get flippy like DD's does.

Brand new a Getaway is exactly like a good Thunderbird. They don't stay that way long though.

The only Thunderbirds I wasn't crazy about were G*. They're a little flippy and do poorly in wind. When I throw a Thunderbird I don't want any high speed turn.
I dont wan't any high speed turn out of my thunderbirds either, but these are too much. I want them to fly like a longer teebird and these fly like a flat top firebird. These were probably going 100' shorter than the thunderbirds I have been throwing.
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Old 05-23-2019, 02:01 PM
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Stuff like this makes me glad I stocked up on 3x and early 4x Champ Thunderbirds. Really durable and truly fly like longer Teebirds.

Though if these new runs are like flat top Firebirds then I might have to go Thunderbird shopping for the first time in a while. Sometimes you just need more beef.
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