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Old 08-05-2018, 01:59 AM
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I've never thrown either, but I know the Shryke and Sheriff are very close, so that's why I used that comparison. Do MVP drivers typically hate nose up? My Tesla absolutely hated it, so I wonder if a Catalyst would help me throw nose down.
The Catalyst definitely flies much more overstable if you throw it nose-up. The dome basically catches air and slows the disc down very quickly if you throw it nose-up, so it acts more overstable and doesn't fly nearly as far. You need to make sure none of the underside of that dome is catching air as the disc is flying through the air, which means you would literally be better off throwing it so that the nose is BELOW the line parallel with the horizon rather than above it. It generates plenty of lift even with an extreme nose-down angle, and it only acts like the understable distance driver you expect it to be if you can get it flying in a proper nose-down position.
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Old 08-05-2018, 02:46 AM
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The Catalyst definitely flies much more overstable if you throw it nose-up. The dome basically catches air and slows the disc down very quickly if you throw it nose-up, so it acts more overstable and doesn't fly nearly as far. You need to make sure none of the underside of that dome is catching air as the disc is flying through the air, which means you would literally be better off throwing it so that the nose is BELOW the line parallel with the horizon rather than above it. It generates plenty of lift even with an extreme nose-down angle, and it only acts like the understable distance driver you expect it to be if you can get it flying in a proper nose-down position.
So it would be a good trainer for that then? Overmolds seem especially affected, but maybe its just my imagination.
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Old 08-05-2018, 03:36 AM
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So it would be a good trainer for that then? Overmolds seem especially affected, but maybe its just my imagination.
Well it helped me throw more nose-down, but that's mostly because the Catalyst forced me to adopt a slightly different grip for my drivers, which I ended up using on all my other drivers too. I haven't thrown many overmold drivers to compare the Catalyst to, though. I suppose that could also have an effect on the disc's flight, but I personally just assumed it was a quirk specific to the Catalyst when I was trying to adjust to the specific way the disc needed to be thrown.
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Old 08-05-2018, 10:06 AM
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So is the Catalyst like MVP's Shryke or Sheriff, or is it more US? I'm thinking about getting one in a trade and I usually throw Shrykes about 440' max, and haven't experimented with any Gyro drivers in about 2 years, since my Plasma Tesla and PDGA Inertia.
I'd say this comparison is apt. The Catalyst is lightning fast, maybe a tick faster than a Shryke. I personally thought the Catalyst had better glide and held a flex line a little longer than a Sheriff.

My best distance throws with the Catalyst and Shryke were within 10' of each other. I'd recommend getting the Catalyst to see what you think. I won't even say I'm a huge fan of those gyro drivers either, but the Catalyst freaking works for big, big distance. I'd equate it to an Octane, but somewhat flippier.

I'll reiterate that the Catalyst is NOT a headwind disc. It seems to do well in calm or downwind conditions, but flips fairly consistently in any sort of headwind.

I had no issues throwing the Catalyst nose up. I don't grip or throw the disc different from any of my other long drivers. Frankly, I think any disc will stall out and die if you throw it nose up. The Catalyst does just fine with a low, slight hyzer release. It'll get flippy at times, but I found it manageable.

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I've had my N Catalyst for long enough I think I can judge it. It absolutely bombs, no joke. Tons of glide and really fast. When I first got it it was just stable enough to tolerate some wrist roll over and fly linear before some late turn and late hook up (that "whoa, what a crush" line). That's the same way my Opto Ballista was when new. Also like my Ballista, the Catalyst has gotten less tolerant of OAT and will struggle to pull out of the drift if you're sloppy. it's not flippy, flippy but more like that neutral stable kind of flight. Headwinds will get to it but in calm conditions it's manageable. It's similar to my Plasma Wave with similar dome, just faster and longer.
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I've had my N Catalyst for long enough I think I can judge it. It absolutely bombs, no joke. Tons of glide and really fast. When I first got it it was just stable enough to tolerate some wrist roll over and fly linear before some late turn and late hook up (that "whoa, what a crush" line). That's the same way my Opto Ballista was when new. Also like my Ballista, the Catalyst has gotten less tolerant of OAT and will struggle to pull out of the drift if you're sloppy. it's not flippy, flippy but more like that neutral stable kind of flight. Headwinds will get to it but in calm conditions it's manageable. It's similar to my Plasma Wave with similar dome, just faster and longer.
I definitely ended up liking the Catalyst more than the Mayhem or Octane. Mayhem and Octane are both good, but the Catalyst was on another level. Tons of glide and distance.

I agree, very touchy in headwind. I won't call the Catalyst better than a Ballista or Shryke. They're all about equal.
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