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Old 10-29-2020, 09:34 AM
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Old 10-29-2020, 10:04 AM
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speaking of which i cant remember what ever happened to flyboy avation course i think it was called its now extinct but was supposed to be awesome
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Old 10-29-2020, 10:20 AM
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I've been playing Flip City since baskets first went in sometime in the late 1990's. Back then, it was one of the best of the best anywhere. And that included all dozen courses along the I-96 and I-94 corridors across the entire state. Wild Haven's "Wild" and I put in McGraft Park right about the same time, and on my "1989DiscGolfer" YouTube channel you can watch me (at age 26) and Bill playing Flip City in 1999. Bill told me Wild and I were among some of the first to ever play the basket version.

My parents met in 1970 about 7 or 8 miles away at a lake cottage resort and they go back multiple times a summer to this day. It's an excuse for me to both visit them and get me some Flip City time too. What I really wish is that I knew Bill had his object course there going back to 1980. I could've played it with Frisbees had I known this!

I love Flip City. One of my all-time favorites. And I've always agreed it's too easy to be a 5.

I won't give a review of it for several reasons. One of the big ones is I don't want to be some sort of Michigan pariah for not giving it a 5. I love Bill and I love Flip City. A lot. When somebody like me who never played MPO can shoot even par, it's not challenging enough to be a 5 in my opinion. (I'm not shooting even there anymore what with my advancing age and the more challenging upgrades over the years. Shot a 75 recently, but that's as good as it gets). Secondly, I won't be adding anything new to what's already been reviewed. Lately I only want to review something if it would help people make a decision to play it or not, like I did with Three Rivers' new Armstrong Park. My review actually added something tangible to the mix. Any review I could give Flip wouldn't, plus all sorts of people would be pissed I didn't give it a 5.

There's also the problem that I've already given other places too high of ratings when I first did this and now my personal ratings system on here is out of whack. I'd better just take it easy and only pitch in when it helps (as is the case with my Armstrong review).

There's no point in me reviewing it, unless I'd done it 20 years ago, and back then I would've said there is nothing finer. It was true back then. Now the sport has exploded and instead of a dozen courses along I-94 and I-96 we have hundreds and there are Idlewilds and Harmony Bendses in the world. I haven't played them, and I wouldn't want to say Flip is the same celing score as them. Etc.

But at the same time, it always warms my heart to see Bill's course on the front page of this website. I root for it to stay there.

Go play Flip. Enjoy the 5-star vibes and splendor. Enjoy the 4.5 game play as well. You won't regret it. And go ahead and run those putts on the elevated basket. I dare you. If Marwede can, why can't I?

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Old 10-29-2020, 10:40 AM
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Well said, and I highly recommend people check out Central Scrutinizer's Flip video...super awesome analog goodness!!

Flip City is kinda like a historical time capsule. Yes there are more difficult, etc. courses out there...people have had literally decades of course design and disc aerodynamics improvements with which to make Flip "obsolete."

It would be like taking a tour of a museum and literally stepping back into the past.

I can understand why people with no imaginations, heart, or feel for such things could look at it and go "Pfft."

But that's their loss, not ours, or Bill's.

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Old 10-29-2020, 10:41 AM
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speaking of which i cant remember what ever happened to flyboy avation course i think it was called its now extinct but was supposed to be awesome
It was withdrawn from this site, but it's still there and available on a very limited basis. The withdrawal was due to popularity; they can't accommodate the number of people the listing drew.

It was and is awesome. Though, perhaps like Flip City (which I've never visited), part of the awesomeness is its vibe.

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Old 10-29-2020, 11:39 AM
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In my opinion, Flyboy is a 5.0 safari area-- but I would hesitate to even call it a "course". There aren't really tees. When I played it was basically the host taking 2 discs out of his bag and making the tee for each hole. There may be some rubber mats thrown down in some places-- I really can't remember. I don't think there was any signage. Again, there may be a few leftover signs in some places but it isn't consistent. It's on a gigantic area of land with countless baskets. There isn't really 1 layout. Apparently they play it in all kinds of directions and order. It has some amazing shots and beautiful views. If someone really picked the best holes on the property in the best order and constructed top notch tee pads with quality signage, it would easily be a 5. As is, I would probably give it about a 4 much like Flip City, although for completely different reasons.

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Old 10-29-2020, 12:17 PM
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In my opinion, Flyboy is a 5.0 safari area-- but I would hesitate to even call it a "course". There aren't really tees. When I played it was basically the host taking 2 discs out of his bag and making the tee for each hole. There may be some rubber mats thrown down in some places-- I really can't remember. I don't think there was any signage. Again, there may be a few leftover signs in some places but it isn't consistent. It's on a gigantic area of land with countless baskets. There isn't really 1 layout. Apparently they play it in all kinds of directions and order. It has some amazing shots and beautiful views. If someone really picked the best holes on the property in the best order and constructed top notch tee pads with quality signage, it would easily be a 5. As is, I would probably give it about a 4 much like Flip City, although for completely different reasons.
i would agree with much of what cox3 stated. the basics of tees, signage and chains left a lot to be desired. When i was there last fall, all the tees were marked, but signage was perhaps at 75 percent of the tees. the tee surfaces were bad. the baskets were not top tier and a few weren't even second tier. The land is 5.0. The vibe, as David noted, is also 5.0 material. although i couldn't review it, i personally scored it a 4.5 in my spreadsheet.

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Old 10-29-2020, 01:02 PM
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I've been several times, and there were always marked tees. Signage didn't matter because a guide was required. There were basically two overlapping layouts, though I'm sure there are some hybrid combinations as well.

Flyboy's also a tough course if you don't throw 350' or more, which I don't.

Aesthetics more than compensate, to my taste, but I can understand if some others find in a little lacking. I get a similar impression of Flip City.

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Old 10-29-2020, 04:34 PM
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The real problem with Flyboy and Flip City and some others, like another poster noted, is just the amount of awesome courses that have been developed over the last 10 or so years. Those were premier destinations 10-20+ years ago. They just aren't anymore. They are still really nice and certainly worth visiting but there are just too many other places with equal or better scenery, equal or better holes, equal or better tee pads, equal or better baskets, equal or better signage, more accessible, etc. to justify places like that still being 5 star courses that are legitimately in the top 10 discussion. Honestly, almost no courses that are more than 10 years old are truly in that discussion unless they've been updated and improved during that time-- think Maple Hill, Idlewild, etc.

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To me Flip City is my dg field of dreams. I’ve only been able to play at Bill’s place a handful of times but it has never let me down. I’m an average player and it’s still challenging to me. The bottom line is that it’s a super fun course to play. So much that has inspired many to build their own course.

Don’t get me wrong. I believe DGCR has the best reviews and ratings than any other site, but...
Its not the end all be all for courses like when I finally joined back in November 2008. I still think it’s the best but there are a lot more sites now that you can use to find courses.

For example, We started Mill Creek in 2013 and were 27 holes when we listed (here first of course) in 2014-15. Only a handful of players used DGCR to find courses. I have one review and it’s from me

Almost 99% of the players that find us are from Udisc, discgolfscene, Facebook and by word of mouth. We’re up to players from 32 different states that have played here. I’m pretty sure we haven’t even had 32 players from DGCR yet.

No worries though. I still believe in you guys. I’m just trying to stay in the Michigan top 10.

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