Power Pocket and Arc-My new video

[sidewinder22]

Someone thinks the camera angles are 90 degrees off on my video(I originally did too), so here's the alternative which I think makes less sense. The pelvis/spine would be tilted heavily over the front leg, and the fist wouldn't extend closer to the target than the elbow as the shoulder and elbow would retract away from the target.

https://i.imgur.com/2aA3VE5.png

[todvan]

Originally Posted by Bradley Walker

Keerect.

Elbow forward, or "elbowing the door down" usually becomes SHOULDER OPEN, ELBOW RIGHT, ARM RIGHT, NOSE UP HEYSER...

Aha!

[warmuth]

Originally Posted by todvan

Aha!

Or in my case release flat and turn over a driver 250 feet. I've watched a ton of SW and others vids and read a ton of posts here trying to figure out how to not round and strong arm. For some reason the disc travels in a straight line was the first bug I got in my head when I started to learn. Now I at least realize that a big part of the issue is probably that I clear the front shoulder out of the way to try to move it straight. Doesn't matter what angle my arm is in relation to my shoulder, I just spin out trying to move the disc straight. I've seen SW make the point of the curved path the disc takes in diagrams but never really understood it without the discussion in this thread.

[treekickluv]

Something i allways wonder is: do i have to extend my shoulder forward? With that i do not mean bend my back and rotate my shoulders. The shoulder blade itself.

[trasf]

Originally Posted by treekickluv

Something i allways wonder is: do i have to extend my shoulder forward? With that i do not mean bend my back and rotate my shoulders. The shoulder blade itself.

Shrugging?

https://youtu.be/AX-Bjd53Fv8

[ThrowaEnvy]

Didn't watch the vid but Rhatton1 always has solid advice so thumbs up on that. Whatever he says haha. I'm not the best "form advice" guy.. I don't think you should be trying to mess with you shoulder, everything should flow from the bottom up. This thread helped me put together what my arm(s?) should be doing at the end of the whip, that you have built from the legs on through.

If you really want to have fun and mess around, try punching down and frontwards at a 45 degree angle, in tight to your body, with your off arm when you are just about to throw. It gets your shoulder and body rotating in a way that's more shoulder leading rather than following. Be prepared for some releases that are 30 degrees off from normal but with extra ooomph.

[sidewinder22]

Extended bench press or jab or pass would be protracted shoulder.

Shoulder gets pulled taut into protraction when you let it dangle and swing centrifugally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQYGzTlVetQ#t=7m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2eWfwpahfk#t=3m24s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1pkfJtVq-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvGudQYfjD8#t=64s

Originally Posted by sidewinder22

When you say pull, I think of the elbow bending instead of extending, and bringing the disc into the body. There is only a slight pull in the swing or guiding the disc into the power zone to load up.

When the elbow extends out of the power zone, it's pushing away from the body like throwing a jab or extending a bench press. You can't pull something away from your body very well. If you pass a basketball to someone you spring/push it away from you somewhat like a golf disc.

[treekickluv]

Originally Posted by sidewinder22

Extended bench press or jab or pass would be protracted shoulder.

Shoulder gets pulled taut into protraction when you let it dangle and swing centrifugally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQYGzTlVetQ#t=7m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2eWfwpahfk#t=3m24s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1pkfJtVq-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvGudQYfjD8#t=64s

im allways cautious for injury and having a muscle at its limits and then applying force to it is not a sustainable solution for me. i assume you mean the shoulder should be protracted when you start accelerating? im well aware that the upper arm should never move far away from 90 degrees of your shoulders. aka hugging yourself or ''strong arming''

[sidewinder22]

Originally Posted by treekickluv

im allways cautious for injury and having a muscle at its limits and then applying force to it is not a sustainable solution for me. i assume you mean the shoulder should be protracted when you start accelerating? im well aware that the upper arm should never move far away from 90 degrees of your shoulders. aka hugging yourself or ''strong arming''

Yes it starts protracted like door frame drill/hammer throw and remains pulled taut until you release and then follow thru. It's not really using the muscle or near max range of motion. You have to let go of the muscle, dingle arm it.

[treekickluv]

Originally Posted by sidewinder22

Yes it starts protracted like door frame drill/hammer throw and remains pulled taut until you release and then follow thru. It's not really using the muscle or near max range of motion. You have to let go of the muscle, dingle arm it.

so if im hugging myself in the throw is an indicator that im having the disc too close to my body where i begin the throw?