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Old 07-16-2019, 05:27 PM
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So I've just read snippets of this thread, is it worth the read at all?
Depends, do you like pseudo intellectual drivel? Sure! Dive right in!

Some good thoughts, but really only worth it if you're bored and/or like mind puzzles.
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Old 07-16-2019, 05:32 PM
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Depends, do you like pseudo intellectual drivel? Sure! Dive right in!

Some good thoughts, but really only worth it if you're bored and/or like mind puzzles.
We talking real puzzles or just circular thinking?
I guess my real question is are there any chuckles to be had.
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Old 07-16-2019, 05:35 PM
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I guess my real question is are there any chuckles to be had.
All depends on your sense of humor.

I find it mildly amusing, but I'm kind of a twisted f%^k.
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Explain the right function of competition in recreation. It seems clear that competition serves different purposes, for example biological competition existing as a law of supply and demand serves to equalize and harmonize, while competition as an economic principle serves to disintegrate and divide. I cannot come to any solid conclusion about the need for, purpose, or propriety of competition as a form of leisure. Is it a diseased extention of our national religion of ego-materialism? Is it a useful cultural process?

Did you get beat by a sandbagger or something?

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Old 07-16-2019, 06:25 PM
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We talking real puzzles or just circular thinking?
I guess my real question is are there any chuckles to be had.
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All depends on your sense of humor.

I find it mildly amusing, but I'm kind of a twisted f%^k.
I was chuckling before I got to the end of the first post. Amusing, not worth engaging in, but amusing.
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Old 07-16-2019, 07:14 PM
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I'm also genuinely looking for positives that I may have missed. I assumed that this would be a good place to ask for them.

As mentioned earlier, these questions came to me after studying economic and ecological competition. Economic competition, as practiced in this country for example, divides people and places into categories of winners and losers and damages the health of everyone and everything involved. A healthy ecology on the other hand, though it still involves competition, integrates and diversifies and balances and preserves.

Since competition in disc golf (for example) divides winners from losers and encourages self-absorption and denial of reality, I find it closer to a ruinous economy than to a wholesome ecology.
See, I just don't know about that last sentence. You say it as though it's a foregone conclusion, and while I'm sure there are examples of self-absorbed lunkheads who live and die with every victory or defeat, in my experience - and certainly in my personal practice - it is rare. Especially in disc golf.
"Encourages self-absorption and denial of reality." No, sir. I don't see that at all.

Now, get me talking about pro athletes in the USA, and we'll have a whole 'nother argument. In the context of DG and this board, that kind of thing never crossed my mind. Not once.

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Whats interesting is op's real agenda.
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:08 AM
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The entire crux of this thread rests on the fact that the question was posed as such a starkly divided binary. OP's assumptions and conclusion jumps aside, this means that either the OP's a troll or very immature in his thinking. : )
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Old 07-17-2019, 06:41 PM
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I'm also genuinely looking for positives that I may have missed. I assumed that this would be a good place to ask for them.

As mentioned earlier, these questions came to me after studying economic and ecological competition. Economic competition, as practiced in this country for example, divides people and places into categories of winners and losers and damages the health of everyone and everything involved. A healthy ecology on the other hand, though it still involves competition, integrates and diversifies and balances and preserves.

Since competition in disc golf (for example) divides winners from losers and encourages self-absorption and denial of reality, I find it closer to a ruinous economy than to a wholesome ecology.
Progress is the positive. Many aspects of progress as a result of different levels of competition in different scenarios.

Economic and ecological competition is no different other than your point of view and pre-formed bias. You are comparing a healthy ecosystem to what you believe is this countries' practices? So a healthy in balance system with something that is somewhat broken and doesn't show actual competition?

Economic competition... actual level playing field competition results in innovation, better pricing (hmmmm... also known as competitive pricing?) wider access to goods, services and technology. The problem with as its practiced in this country is not 'competition' but the greed and power plays where some entities are working to eliminate their competition, often through means outside of what would be that particular economic bubble. It would be similar to and ecological environment with outside influences where the natural competition turns the balance all out of whack. It isn't the competition itself. Just as I had pointed out about sports competitions and individual A-holes.

A healthy ecosystem by the way has plenty of separation between winners and losers. That is how progress (evolution) happens. Birds with the brightest colors get the chicks and the result is more generations with bright feathers. Bright feathered birds... talk about self absorbed deniers of reality... What about the lion cubs that get killed and eaten by rival adult lions taking over a pride? Pretty sure the lion cubs aren't really feeling to balanced and preserved. You are kinda focusing on the isolated negatives and isolated positives of competition in whichever scenario you are looking at. The same net good from a balanced ecosystem is present in sport, economics, table games, singles bars, etc...

Maybe rather than thinking disc golf competition divides winners an losers and (encourages self-absorption and denial of reality (honestly this statement I tried but I cannot respond in any constructive way, it is so f-ing off the rails)), maybe see how it can highlight those who perform at a higher level and encourage others to improve themselves, resulting in better all around play.
You had mentioned before something along the lines of apathy toward winning but are there no positive feelings for performing well? My daughter is an extreme example several pages ago when I mentioned her attitude that scoring goals and winning is what makes it fun, but is it really fun to go out and throw a frisbee without any idea where its going? For me throwing good throws and executing a round to the best of my ability is waaaay more fun than playing poorly. Competition helps my game progress.

Progress. Progress in individual performance, progress in technological advances, progress in diversifying opportunities, progress in passing along fit genes to another generation, progress in making the world a better place.

Look for where progress is moving backward and really look. Is it competition? Or is there something outside of that system that is actually stifling true competition?

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Old 07-17-2019, 09:03 PM
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See, I just don't know about that last sentence. You say it as though it's a foregone conclusion, and while I'm sure there are examples of self-absorbed lunkheads who live and die with every victory or defeat, in my experience - and certainly in my personal practice - it is rare. Especially in disc golf.
"Encourages self-absorption and denial of reality." No, sir. I don't see that at all.

Now, get me talking about pro athletes in the USA, and we'll have a whole 'nother argument. In the context of DG and this board, that kind of thing never crossed my mind. Not once.
Perhaps our experiences have differed.
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