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Old 10-14-2019, 08:14 AM
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In our testing, we had a throw roll past the mandatory. It takes a pretty amazing roller to miss the mandatory on 3, and the strategy is not without its risks. It gives up one of the least risky birdies for the longest throwers, and it can leave the thrower in an awkward position if the throw does not cross the mandatory line. Discs thrown that hard do not require much of an angle miss to turn into super long cuts or super long flips leaving the player way out of position.

It is also possible to change the angle of the mandatory lines on hole 3B such that errant rollers have to travel even farther to miss the mandatory. Looking at the current mandatory lines as hands on a clock, they currently go through "9" and "3." If the left line was angled to about "10" and the right to about "2," throws would have to travel even farther to cross the mandatory line. This could lead to some even more interesting recoveries from ultra long rollers with missed angles. We considered this option, but we tend to let holes grow incrementally. It's quite possible that position 3A will be eliminated and the mandatory lines changed.
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:58 PM
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What year was this and is there video available?
2014. Fast forward to 22 minutes.

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Old 10-14-2019, 09:49 PM
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...3. Good point; tt is good for us to consider our impact outside of the USDGC.


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On that note, I don't like to see golf greens in bounds (or even in play). If we are to get more disc golf on golf courses, we need to show that we understand how special (expensive) greens are. I'd like everyone to understand that it is just a given that if you play on a golf course, you don't go on the greens.

(While far less important, I'd prefer we didn't play in the sand, either. Forcing players to move back along the line of play out the sand could work.)

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Old 10-15-2019, 01:30 AM
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On that note, I don't like to see golf greens in bounds (or even in play). If we are to get more disc golf on golf courses, we need to show that we understand how special (expensive) greens are. I'd like everyone to understand that it is just a given that if you play on a golf course, you don't go on the greens.

(While far less important, I'd prefer we didn't play in the sand, either. Forcing players to move back along the line of play out the sand could work.)
Point is valid...but not in practice at Winthrop's golf course. Those greens are mowed by alpaca herds and then the grass was replanted with dandelions and driven over with steam rollers. Chipping onto an ice rink would have been better. The sand on that course is unsifted left overs from some local mining operation.
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Old 10-15-2019, 10:07 AM
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Point is valid...but not in practice at Winthrop's golf course. Those greens are mowed by alpaca herds and then the grass was replanted with dandelions and driven over with steam rollers. Chipping onto an ice rink would have been better. The sand on that course is unsifted left overs from some local mining operation.
Whether it is OK or not at Winthrop is not the point. People will watch the videos and copy the design onto places where they shouldn't.

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Old 10-15-2019, 10:33 AM
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Whether it is OK or not at Winthrop is not the point. People will watch the videos and copy the design onto places where they shouldn't.
Isn't that the issue with a lot of the Winthrop design features? I have seen many TDs misuse drop zones, mandos, stroke and distance, island holes, ect. in the last few years because they attempt to mimic courses like Winthrop and Eureka...

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Old 10-15-2019, 11:47 AM
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Isn't that the issue with a lot of the Winthrop design features? I have seen many TDs misuse drop zones, mandos, stroke and distance, island holes, ect. in the last few years because they attempt to mimic courses like Winthrop and Eureka...
Sure, but that only affects quality of play. Using parking lots, roads, and greens can cause courses to be pulled.

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Old 10-15-2019, 06:57 PM
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Isn't that the issue with a lot of the Winthrop design features? I have seen many TDs misuse drop zones, mandos, stroke and distance, island holes, ect. in the last few years because they attempt to mimic courses like Winthrop and Eureka...
We are talking about how terrible the Winthrop ball golf course is. It was tongue and cheek. Steve's point is correct. I was dissing the goat meadow they call a golf course.
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Old 10-15-2019, 09:36 PM
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On that note, I don't like to see golf greens in bounds (or even in play). If we are to get more disc golf on golf courses, we need to show that we understand how special (expensive) greens are. I'd like everyone to understand that it is just a given that if you play on a golf course, you don't go on the greens.

(While far less important, I'd prefer we didn't play in the sand, either. Forcing players to move back along the line of play out the sand could work.)
Hole 3 is intended to reflect our golf heritage and the growing partnership between disc golf and golf. We chose a double mandatory to showcase how disc golf accuracy could be brought to the wide open golf spaces. The double mandatory also reduces the chances of divoting from throws compared to a single or no mandatory. I believe almost every good thing in disc golf has its origins in golf. We are golfs child, and we should honor our parent. Disc golf and golf are going to be more and more like two generations living in the family house. While we need to honor, and sometimes care for, our parents, we need to respect ourselves too. I do not want to portray disc golfers as a second-class citizen on the golf course tiptoeing off the very surface the golfers hit to and play on. We will continue to talk with golfers and course superintendents to make sure we do our part to honor and protect both versions of golf.

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Hole 3 is intended to reflect our golf heritage and the growing partnership between disc golf and golf. We chose a double mandatory to showcase how disc golf accuracy could be brought to the wide open golf spaces. The double mandatory also reduces the chances of divoting from throws compared to a single or no mandatory. I believe almost every good thing in disc golf has its origins in golf. We are golfs child, and we should honor our parent. Disc golf and golf are going to be more and more like two generations living in the family house. While we need to honor, and sometimes care for, our parents, we need to respect ourselves too. I do not want to portray disc golfers as a second-class citizen on the golf course tiptoeing off the very surface the golfers hit to and play on. We will continue to talk with golfers and course superintendents to make sure we do our part to honor and protect both versions of golf.
I have to hand it to you: you're working very, very hard using the English language to attempt to justify that inexcusable hole #3. Alas, there are no words in the English nor any other language to justify that hole's existence, but it was a try.....

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