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Old 05-06-2021, 12:12 PM
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Ive been on both sides of this issue. Before I knew there were tournaments, I ran into weekly minis with people warning us the mini was going on and saying we need to join the club and play the mini. Then we tried to play that course in a weekend and there was an A tier and We didnt know the difference. Years later, I joined that club and played the A tier. There were casuals ignoring the course closed signs and getting belligerent insisting no one has the right to close the course. I told one guy that its like a pavilion in a park that you can pay to reserve fir a birthday party. Another a tier in the area had to resort to stationing uniformed police officers on hole 1.
Interesting story. My nephew got married and reserved a pavilion in a public park for the post wedding celebration. Prior to the wedding me and his uncle on his Dads side were asked to go check on the pavilion prior to the ceremony. We get there and written on a sign it says we have it reserved, but this woman is setting up a birthday party. We politely try to point out that we reserved the pavilion and have 100+ people showing up soon. They refused to leave. We call the parks department, police are dispatched. Woman I has to leave, they leave trash everywhere. We miss the wedding ceremony completely.

People kind of suck on occasion.

The reception turned out great though.
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Old 05-06-2021, 12:18 PM
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IMHO, it's pretty rude and it astonishes me that it happens in our sport.

Would you play 21 during a basketball game thrown by the parks?
Would you play catch in the outfield during a softball game?
Would you kick field goals during a football game?
Would you putt on a green during a golf tournament?

I'm not sure that these things are a one to one comparison with a public disc golf course.

A softball game is played in an enclosed ball field.

A golf tournament is generally played on a private course.
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Old 05-06-2021, 12:31 PM
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Something else to consider is that people who don't play in tournaments or leagues may not even realize that something organized is going on. Its not like disc golfers wear uniforms.

Another thought is, what level of "organization" imbues an event with specialness? If ten members of a small club show up for their annual championship should everyone else leave?

Above, someone mentioned weddings in a park area, well weddings are rather easy to recognize, likewise a family group gathered in a national/state/city park to roast hotdogs. But in those cases that doesn't make the entire park or picnic area off limits to other people. You don't wander up and help yourself to someone's potato salad but you do find an empty table and chow down on what you brought.

And what if two different groups show up the same morning at the same park to play? Would that cause some type of chain reaction that requires a meeting of the high council?

So again, while out of simple courtesy I would never crash an organized event, I don't think its a cut and dried one size fits all issue.
It is a double edged sword, for sure. Recently we had a tournament at Hudson Mills. The TD had decided to run three pools. 18 holes on the Original Course, 18 holes on the Monster Course and 18 holes comprised of the 6 alternate holes on each course and 6 temp holes he had set up. (this is not actually the layouts, he mixed up the courses for better flow, but it was easier to explain this way )

No problem, he had the course closed for the sanctioned event and is a good TD, running solid events. BUT....he decided to throw a couple non sanctioned "warm up" events. They sold out quickly, as does every thing here. Problem is, he was running two events, one a Saturday and Sunday, using one of the above combo layouts. Essentially taking 48 holes of casual weekend golf holes out of play for a 72 person 18 hole event. We rolled up on Sat morning, thinking he was just using one or the other of the courses. He had not paid to close the courses, so anyone could have played, but what a mess it would have been...with tournament players coming onto and then leaving the usual course layouts. We headed down the road and played. But, the course down the road became PACKED quickly. We had gotten out pretty early, able to beat the rush.

I thought it was a poor idea and planning. All of our courses now are seeing tremendous weekend casual play. Keeping as many open for play as possible is important to the health of the entire game in the area, IMO. The game and the courses are for everyone.

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Old 05-06-2021, 01:03 PM
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That is not correct in reality and you know it. Are you Rambo by any chance?
Right, it's not correct in reality, but it's a perfect analogy to your argument. Good to see you can easily recognize you are obviously wrong and hopefully change your perspective.

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Old 05-06-2021, 01:12 PM
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how about a non-tournament person playing along with a card during a tournament?

the card obviously would have ok'd it, & they are keeping up with the card in front of them.
I do know that if a card has only two players, for some reason, the TD can have a designated tournament official go with the group and even play with them. So for you to join a card, the TD would have to declare you a tournament official.

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Old 05-06-2021, 07:37 PM
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As a couple people have alluded to, the X is the perfect course to jump in at lunch. Well be out of the way on whichever back 9 isnt being played second round before they even flight out. The TD/club/players will not care one bit. Probably be happy to have some more potential customers of their club swag. Im looking forward to the round.

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Old 05-06-2021, 07:51 PM
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how about a non-tournament person playing along with a card during a tournament?

the card obviously would have ok'd it, & they are keeping up with the card in front of them.
PDGA rules prohibit this. I'm not sure if its in the competition manual or tour standards, and am too lazy to check, but you can't have a non-competitor playing with competitors (other than an official, accompanying a group of 2).

I had this happen on the card ahead of me once. The two people who joined were well-known and well-liked locals, so it was a little difficult to raise a fuss, but they definitely slowed down our card following them.

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Old 05-07-2021, 09:36 AM
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Nope
The chunk of cliff in that pick fell a few years back so the tee is slightly less sketchy now. Rather substantial rockslide that caused the entire park to close for most of a summer and the original front Green 9 to be removed. That crack had gotten noticeably wider over the years. Before the slide lots of people would climb right down the crack and off the front of the cliff to exit hole 18. Nothing too technical, just a unique little decent. Iirc I had to stop taking that route when I got my first mahal.

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Old 05-07-2021, 11:52 AM
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PDGA rules prohibit this. I'm not sure if its in the competition manual or tour standards, and am too lazy to check, but you can't have a non-competitor playing with competitors (other than an official, accompanying a group of 2).

I had this happen on the card ahead of me once. The two people who joined were well-known and well-liked locals, so it was a little difficult to raise a fuss, but they definitely slowed down our card following them.
This speaks to why people don't like to call other rules as well. Generally everyone knows each other in disc golf, and nobody wants to create a scene or ruin the group mojo.

Personal opinion is if it is against the rules it should be called, especially if it effects other groups or the tourney in general

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Old 05-07-2021, 12:18 PM
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Right, it's not correct in reality, but it's a perfect analogy to your argument. Good to see you can easily recognize you are obviously wrong and hopefully change your perspective.
The reality is that 1 person will always lose out to the 100 and they should lose out for the greater good. I am 100% correct and as you go through life hopefully you will begin to understand this.
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