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Old 09-26-2019, 06:59 AM
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Just thinking!



In side by side comparison everything is more or less similar to my eye until the elbow of throwing hand is above front knee.
From this point on I guess I must be arming the disc because arm keeps sidewinder22's pace but everything else slows down bigtime. I'm decelerating into the hit while sidewinder22 is accelerating through it. Me being set up unable to rotate freely on front leg does not help either. Beginning to grasp a little, what are we trying to achieve!
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Old 09-26-2019, 10:38 AM
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Note how your chest folds or leans back over in the backswing while Im turn back more upright.
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:08 PM
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Just realized I've made a huge mistake, I have not asked advice about my forehand!



I know my forehand throw is kind of jolty, not smooth. Although fh is more accurate throw for me by far, I think smoother throw would help me improve on that. Would not mind more effortlessness while maintaining or improving the distance.
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:49 PM
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Your stance and weightshift look good. I prefer to do a slight x-step/side shuffle instead of walking forward.

Your arm/disc are kind of disconnected from your body in the backswing and transition, and your arm loads really late. Supinate your arm in the backswing so your arm/disc is loaded and moves back and forth with the shoulders/hips.
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:04 PM
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I did some throwing being completely on one leg, no weightshift at all. Actually first time I felt I was throwing from the ground up - arm, shoulder and torso were acting more like a frame and leg action was the engine behind the throw. Throw felt amazingly powerful but also jerky and violent, often I just could not hold on to the disc. No problem clearing the hips of course. So I tried the x-step again, trying to get to the same position but could not. Then I re-read the thread and noticed this:

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I think a camera from behind the tee will show your balance more behind your front heel, planting into too staggered closed stance which prevents you committing to turning the femur further back going into a less staggered stance with your balance more over front instep to shift into the heel.
Argghhhh! I did not understand what you meant by 'too staggered stance' until now! I rephrase just to be sure! So toes of one foot in line with heel of the other foot is "normal" staggered stance. I plant into bigger staggered stance so my front foot ends up being not in line anymore but it is further in front of me. Meanwhile my weight/CoG continues merrily towards the target along normal staggered stance line. As my front foot is off the line, it is impossible for me to get on the front leg and clear the hip, I get jammed into it.

So, to remedy this problem, weight shift/move to plant has to be diagonal? Even with normal stagger. In video you linked, at 2:20 you start One Leg Reciprocation Dingle Arm drill and your stance looks pretty staggered to me. Why is that, what is the purpose? In Parbeque's thread you posted video of Ricky Wysocki's in slow motion https://youtu.be/uPxAZeJ8n3M, same thing there, rather big stagger. Same question, why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxnhM5amro0#t=1m15s
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Old 10-14-2019, 07:19 PM
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Argghhhh! I did not understand what you meant by 'too staggered stance' until now! I rephrase just to be sure! So toes of one foot in line with heel of the other foot is "normal" staggered stance. I plant into bigger staggered stance so my front foot ends up being not in line anymore but it is further in front of me. Meanwhile my weight/CoG continues merrily towards the target along normal staggered stance line. As my front foot is off the line, it is impossible for me to get on the front leg and clear the hip, I get jammed into it.

So, to remedy this problem, weight shift/move to plant has to be diagonal? Even with normal stagger. In video you linked, at 2:20 you start One Leg Reciprocation Dingle Arm drill and your stance looks pretty staggered to me. Why is that, what is the purpose? In Parbeque's thread you posted video of Ricky Wysocki's in slow motion https://youtu.be/uPxAZeJ8n3M, same thing there, rather big stagger. Same question, why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxnhM5amro0#t=1m15s
I recommend toes to heel stagger for a starting point, in general it makes shifting balance between the feet much easier when moving more linear. I also think that camera angle vs run-up angle is a little deceptive there, but there can be some variance on the type of shot/balance. When I'm swinging the hammer/heavier weight especially in standstill/narrow stance or one leg drill I will stagger a little more because it helps balance/stability with the swing weight trying to pull me out of stance more and the rear leg counter balances the swing weight going outward.

There is also the elephant walk drill where the stride is perpendicular to the target but still creates a 1-2" linear weightshift toward the target walking normal, so there is a diagonal shift, or you can think of your weightshift moving or redirecting your CoG/P in a circle or oval to create G-forces out the shoulder/arm/disc.

Rick toe - heel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkM4tmYS4wU&t=2m5s

GG toe - heel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UldZwuCphwA&t=2m5s

Elephant Walk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-KVWfUkQ3s&t=4m40s

This gives a cool visual of the weightshift:
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Old 12-14-2019, 05:20 PM
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Asking for more forehand advice. Switched to hopping and trying to load and throw more smoothly. Definitely easier on the elbow, with last revision technique I could do 2 rounds (~30% forehand in it) and have sore elbow after, today I did one training round, threw ~10 fh teeshots each tee and ended up with wasted left buttock. Elbow's fine though. Also on the positive side, I can throw Harp 30-35ft further which is a gamechanger for few holes.

I tend to turn discs over though as you can see from the video, so I guess I get less spin.
Seems to me that I throw more nose up, especially when trying to add some oomph, then it goes to the sky and has nose up as well. Trying to assess my technique myself it seems to me that I still have disc floating/disconnected after backswing but manage to pick it up more gradually than before. Sometimes it leads to not being to catch up in time and throwing left of intended trajectory. Am I starting backswing to soon?

In the video I've captured all teeshots from one tee. In order of appearance I throw z buzzz (turning over), maverick se (turning over), very beat star eagle (skyhyzer nose up), rather beat opto river (turning over), star sidewinder (ok hyzerflip to some turnover), gstar wraith (to the sky), very stable star aj teebird (ok hyzerflip), champion thunderbird (nose up), rather stable star wraith (nose up to the sky). I hope presenting worse throws reveals more flaws.

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Old 12-14-2019, 08:55 PM
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Yeah your backswing is early. I don't think spin is an issue, but your balance/posture is. You are falling over or pushing over to the right tee side. Note how your rear hip is to the right of your rear ankle, so it's not being leveraged forward. Your front foot is also planting over to the right too far staggered too closed. Note how my butt is to the left to counter my upper body tilted over to right. Your butt is not countering your upper body so you fall over instead of staying more upright and centered and smooth, and that is what I think is causing your discs to turn over and putting more wobble on the discs.
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Backtracked to more upright torso position as suggested.



My current version of forehand throwing motion takes significantly less effort and feels slow. Distance is same as before but I can throw all day long. In fact I just did, playing until almost dark and then it occured to me to record some throws. So sorry for video quality. Slowness of the throw I would describe as just keeping disc taut, not really trying to throw (far) or snap the disc as I used to. Also most consistent accuracy wise so far.

Compared to your throw though, it seems to me I backswing hopelessly early and leave disc floating for a long time then let disc drop down and towards the target (losing some range of work) then try to lose the slack (meanwhile losing more range of work) and accelerate the disc. Doing it (backswing) the way I do feels so natural though, I can't help it. Any clues here?

All other help very much appreciated as well of course.
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Your left arm needs to reach out and swim/leverage/tuck the rest of your body forward to it. Your left arm is just sitting by your side.

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