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Old 01-22-2021, 05:01 PM
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I just came here to see who Nikki is...
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Old 01-22-2021, 05:08 PM
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Old 01-22-2021, 06:41 PM
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Sometimes a controlled "force-over" can yield great distance. You take a disc that is normally too beefy to turn and just yank it hard on an anny line. The disc will fly an exaggerated S curve and usually end up pretty far along.

Do it wrong and you end up throwing a high, weak, hyzer stall.

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Old 01-23-2021, 12:12 AM
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I don't believe Nikko really forces the disc over. He just throws anhyzers with overstable discs. In my mind, forcing a disc over is to intentionally apply off-axis torque to the disc while thrown on a hyzer to make it turn in flight to an anhyzer angle. Not very efficient, honestly, and top pros don't do this. If you watch in slow motion, Nikko actually has a very smooth release with very little wobble. He just releases the disc on anhyzer.
I disagree with the premise, the way pros use OAT vs ams happens in a different sequence, so when pros use OAT it's more like putting some English on the cue ball, while ams just yank it.

I would call Nikko's first shot here a force over. I used to watch the hell out these vids studying form, especially Markus.
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Old 01-23-2021, 12:27 AM
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I disagree with the premise, the way pros use OAT vs ams happens in a different sequence, so when pros use OAT it's more like putting some English on the cue ball, while ams just yank it.

I would call Nikko's first shot here a force over. I used to watch the hell out these vids studying form, especially Markus.
That is really interesting and mind blowing. I stand corrected. Never watched that kind of throw in slow motion, I guess.

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Old 01-23-2021, 02:43 AM
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My body disagrees with this statement.
How can your body disagree with my body feeling? :-P ;-)

Is it just that you don't feel the same? That is expected.

Or do you think a human body cannot feel annies more natural than hyzers? Then I'd be curious why.
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Old 01-23-2021, 03:10 AM
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How can your body disagree with my body feeling? :-P ;-)

Is it just that you don't feel the same? That is expected.

Or do you think a human body cannot feel annies more natural than hyzers? Then I'd be curious why.
IMO the human body works more naturally swinging with gravity in a hyzer pendulum, instead of swinging against gravity like a rainbow or horizontal/flat. Starting the swing falling and letting gravity start the acceleration. Finishing upward allows gravity to help safely decelerate the arm after release. If you finish downward then gravity is accelerating your arm in follow thru and your front leg pumping the ground moves you inward toward the swing instead of extending/accelerating it out away.

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Interesting, I also like a anny motion but flat from shoulder and a little downward. Not a rainbow but I totally get that pendulum analogy hmmmm put that together with that Ezra video the other day about "low to high swing nose down" snap thing and sounds like a plan for today's round

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Nikki's Force Over sounds like a band name.

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