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Ok DGCR Friends,

I need your help with some market research.

By providing feedback, you re helping improve the "product offering" at sanctioned events in St. Louis now and in the future.

Please quote the questions and add your answers:

Geography
1) What part of the country do you live in?
2) How big (annual membership) is your local club?

Financial Performance
1) What division would you play in a PDGA A-Tier?
2) How much do you expect (not want) the entrance fee to be (for your division) in a PDGA - A-Tier?
3) What do (AMs) want in a player's pack to consider an equal return on their entrance fee investment (noted above)?
4) What makes a sanctioned event great? Please list all that apply.

Volunteer
1) Do volunteers in your city get compensated for helping at large events?
2) If so, how are they compensated?
3) If so, do you feel they are fairly compensated for their efforts?

Growth & Registration
1) In your opinion, what is the best way to grow a PDGA A-Tier?
2) In your opinion, what is the best way to attract players to an A-Tier?
3) In your opinion, what is the "next big thing" in disc golf tournament?

Media Engagement
1) How do we get Jomez or CCDG out to our event?
2) Please share any anecdotal comments you feel can help us improve our efforts.


* I have a couple new discs & some other DG swag that I'll raffle off for all the participants/respondents to this thread. I'll try to pull together at least the prizes for the raffle. Keep an eye on this thread in coming weeks/months for the raffle results.


Please answer as many of the questions as you can and be honest. This feedback will be included in our annual planning documents for the 2019 St. Louis Open.

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Old 09-24-2018, 11:27 AM
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Here are my responses as someone who owns a small disc golf company that runs 6-9 events per year depending on the year and a sponsored MPO player

Geography
1) What part of the country do you live in? New Mexico
2) How big (annual membership) is your local club? n/a

Financial Performance
1) What division would you play in a PDGA A-Tier? MPO
2) How much do you expect (not want) the entrance fee to be (for your division) in a PDGA - A-Tier? At least $150
3) What do (AMs) want in a player's pack to consider an equal return on their entrance fee investment (noted above)? Ams love swag, nice artwork on discs/apparel, provided meals is always a plus.
4) What makes a sanctioned event great? Please list all that apply.
- Well organized, ran on time, lots of pre tournament information (schedule, layouts, course rules) easily accessible through multiple mediums (social media, website), great payout, well marked and great courses.

Volunteer
1) Do volunteers in your city get compensated for helping at large events? I wish we had volunteers.
2) If so, how are they compensated?
3) If so, do you feel they are fairly compensated for their efforts?

Growth & Registration
1) In your opinion, what is the best way to grow a PDGA A-Tier? Payout
2) In your opinion, what is the best way to attract players to an A-Tier? Payout, and advertise the amount of added cash beforehand if possible.
3) In your opinion, what is the "next big thing" in disc golf tournament?

Media Engagement
1) How do we get Jomez or CCDG out to our event? $$$ and timing of your event relative to the established tour
2) Please share any anecdotal comments you feel can help us improve our efforts.


Hope this helps! I've ran a bunch of event over the years including A tiers so if you'd like to chat let me know!

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Old 09-24-2018, 11:43 AM
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Geography
1) What part of the country do you live in? Southern Michigan
2) How big (annual membership) is your local club? Free to 30 bucks (with swag given for membership)

Financial Performance
1) What division would you play in a PDGA A-Tier? MA50+
2) How much do you expect (not want) the entrance fee to be (for your division) in a PDGA - A-Tier? 75 bucks
3) What do (AMs) want in a player's pack to consider an equal return on their entrance fee investment (noted above)? A couple discs, towel, other misc swag (hopefully creative, not the same swag I have a ton of at home)
4) What makes a sanctioned event great? Please list all that apply. Well organized (all pre-reg), old guys on close opening holes, well defined OOB, comprehensive players meeting...anticipating potential issues, TD availability for rules issues, timely check in and payout, well stocked script redemption....well run and organized, short intermission time.

Volunteer
1) Do volunteers in your city get compensated for helping at large events? Some.
2) If so, how are they compensated? Free food, beer. Great Lakes Open and USADGC provided volunteers shirts and a disc an hour for work....in addition to food.
3) If so, do you feel they are fairly compensated for their efforts? Yes

Growth & Registration

1) In your opinion, what is the best way to grow a PDGA A-Tier? Well run
2) In your opinion, what is the best way to attract players to an A-Tier? Great course and well run
3) In your opinion, what is the "next big thing" in disc golf tournament?

Media Engagement
1) How do we get Jomez or CCDG out to our event? No idea...ask them?
2) Please share any anecdotal comments you feel can help us improve our efforts.

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Just talk to Three Putt.

Ok, that wasn't very helpful. What I mean is, I think finding some local experts will also help in producing a good event for YOUR area. In other words, what works in one area might be detrimental in another.

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Just ignore my post. I should have just deleted it. Sorry.
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Stuff I apprecite
Thanks for your input and for what you do for the SW scene.
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2) How big (annual membership) is your local club? Free to 30 bucks (with swag given for membership)
Apologies for the confusion. I meant, how many members typically join your local club each year?

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3) What do (AMs) want in a player's pack to consider an equal return on their entrance fee investment (noted above)? A couple discs, towel, other misc swag (hopefully creative, not the same swag I have a ton of at home)
Could you please expand upon, "creative, not the same swag I have a ton of at home"?

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2) If so, how are they compensated? Free food, beer. Great Lakes Open and USADGC provided volunteers shirts and a disc an hour for work....in addition to food.

Do I understand this correctly, volunteers are rewarded with 1 (free) disc (from club inventory) for each hour they volunteer. Is that right?

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Just talk to Three Putt.
I actually ran the event in question back in 2008-09. I very much appreciate and value Three Putt's input and experience. That said, I am fairly confident in my ability to attract folks of that...er...um...era*...
Today, I am really after understanding the "new" expectation.

* No disrespect to Three Putt

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Just ignore my post. I should have just deleted it. Sorry.
You could also add your own opinions in here too...

Thanks again folks, keep the replies coming...

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Apologies for the confusion. I meant, how many members typically join your local club each year? Hmmmmm.....I don't really have those numbers. Took a look at DGS and did not find any stats. I do belong to several area clubs.



Could you please expand upon, "creative, not the same swag I have a ton of at home"?
Gift certificates to local restaurants and sponsors. Pint glasses, socks, snacks, polo shirts, no tee-shirt type, disc retrievers, unique or really cool mini's, umbrella, coolers....


Do I understand this correctly, volunteers are rewarded with 1 (free) disc (from club inventory) for each hour they volunteer. Is that right?
Crazy, huh? Discraft actually does this for us. Really brings out the spotters for the bigger events. Spotters are a great A-Tier perk!!
Above are some responses.

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Please quote the questions and add your answers:

Geography
1) What part of the country do you live in?
New Orleans
2) How big (annual membership) is your local club? About 150

Financial Performance
1) What division would you play in a PDGA A-Tier? MP50
2) How much do you expect (not want) the entrance fee to be (for your division) in a PDGA - A-Tier? $90
3) What do (AMs) want in a player's pack to consider an equal return on their entrance fee investment (noted above)? Discs, dri-fit shirt, towel, etc.
4) What makes a sanctioned event great? Please list all that apply. 1. Runs smoothly 2. Added cash 3. Great courses 4. Lunch included 5. Great players pack 6. Large # of players

Volunteer
1) Do volunteers in your city get compensated for helping at large events? Sometimes
2) If so, how are they compensated? Free food, event discs
3) If so, do you feel they are fairly compensated for their efforts? Sometimes

Growth & Registration
1) In your opinion, what is the best way to grow a PDGA A-Tier? It takes a couple or a few years of running a quality event to grow it, but the process can be quickened by big payouts, big sponsorships, and big promotional effort by the TD/staff.
2) In your opinion, what is the best way to attract players to an A-Tier? See above
3) In your opinion, what is the "next big thing" in disc golf tournament? Ya got me there, I don’t even know what the last big thing was.

Media Engagement
1) How do we get Jomez or CCDG out to our event? Pay them
2) Please share any anecdotal comments you feel can help us improve our efforts. Try to entice the 1030+ rated players to your event somehow, like free entry & free hotel. If you draw the big names, lots of little names will follow.

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I'll try to answer more from a player perspective, my bigger thoughts on the sport from a media perspective are pretty public already.

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Geography
1) What part of the country do you live in? San Francisco Bay Area
2) How big (annual membership) is your local club? ~375-400 paid tags, many many more casuals

Financial Performance
1) What division would you play in a PDGA A-Tier? MPO
2) How much do you expect (not want) the entrance fee to be (for your division) in a PDGA - A-Tier? $100-150
3) What do (AMs) want in a player's pack to consider an equal return on their entrance fee investment (noted above)? 2-3 cool items that are local in some way (artist, product itself, etc.) and feel like care and thought was taken when curating them. Past that, I believe the experience of the event is worth money. I take that fully into account, not just what stuff I get in a bag.
4) What makes a sanctioned event great? Please list all that apply. Give me an experience. I want to feel like the event has a particular vibe and 'soul', I guess. Do the basics right, make sure the players needs are met on the course and they feel cared for (for the most part, can't please everyone), and then put the soul of the local club or course into it. Events shouldn't be sterile, carbon copies of the A-tier down the road.

Volunteer
1) Do volunteers in your city get compensated for helping at large events? TD gets a small gratuity from the club for running our B-tier (takes 6 months of work). Volunteers are often given non-monetary perks, benefits, etc.
2) If so, how are they compensated? The most crucial volunteer staff is allowed to pre-register for the following year (our event sells out in 4-5min. online, 150 spots), they get players packs, lunches, beers (at appropriate times), lots of love.
3) If so, do you feel they are fairly compensated for their efforts? Yes. We all do it for the love of club, course, and culture. Rarely do we get any complaints. We are lucky.

Growth & Registration
1) In your opinion, what is the best way to grow a PDGA A-Tier? Be very clear about what kind of event it is. IMO A-tiers are more strenuous, formal, and professionally minded in terms of the competition (even among Am divisions). Tier makes a difference IMO.
2) In your opinion, what is the best way to attract players to an A-Tier? I think A-tier competitors expect a more professionally strict, less backyard/generous/casual experience. A-tiers are stepping stones to the tour, or the one-off majors. Find a way to make the title coveted.
3) In your opinion, what is the "next big thing" in disc golf tournament? I ramble about this weekly on the podcast, I'll let others be heard here.

Media Engagement
1) How do we get Jomez or CCDG out to our event? Pay them a reasonable rate. Don't waste time lowballing or offering couch surfing + beer deals (we've all gotten those emails from TD's angry that we're not tripping over ourselves at the prospect of losing money to film their C-tier). You get what you pay for.
2) Please share any anecdotal comments you feel can help us improve our efforts. I tell people that if they're waiting for the media to discover them, they'll end up salty and angry. If you want any kind of media, seek it out. Explain to that person or group what stories are available to tell.


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Thanks Jamie,
I always appreciate your input!

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