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Old 09-14-2019, 10:53 PM
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Finally got to throw another Kong today. This is another of the ESP prototypes (as is my other Kong). The one I threw today was noticeably flatter. No real dome at all. The weight sticker is gone, so I don't know how much it weighs.

Its actually fairly manageable compared to my first Kong. Not as beefy. This new Kong actually had a little high speed turn. It still has a fairly harsh (and early) late fade, but I was getting a nice 380' out of it consistently today.

In all honesty, these prototype Kongs remind me of McBeth 4X star Destroyers. They literally fly exactly the same. Maybe a smidge of high speed turn followed by a fairly dumpy late fade. For me the two Kongs I have would be on the top end of the overstability spectrum as far as star Destroyers go. The Kongs are good headwind discs, and they will always fade pretty hard no matter what conditions you throw them in.

I'd be interested to try one of the newer Zeuses. I hear they're a little less beefy than the Kong prototypes. Make no mistake, those Kong prototypes are NOT for wimpy arms. They do respond well to brute throws, but if you miss your throw even a little the disc will penalize you with a really short, overstable flight.

The ESP plastic on both of my Kong prototypes is buttery smooth and utterly perfect. Such beautiful color variations.
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Old 09-16-2019, 02:20 AM
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My experience so far is that the First runs and Big Zs have noticeable more glide than the flat protos, and are less beefy than the domey protos. (all of my first runs and big Zs have the same profile. Just a normal dome. Not pop top, not flat.

The Big Z have a ton of glide. I can throw a Big Z on a hyzer and it will carry the hyzer and glide just as far as one of the flat protos flipped up to flat with a little turn.

I am leaning toward dropping the flat protos completely, and begin seasoning in a first run, but I currently carry:

1 seasoned, flat proto which I generally only really reach for when I need a hyzer flip lazer or a turnover with late flex.
1 Big Z, which is my go-to bomber.
1 domey proto, which is beefy and holds up to winds

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Old 09-16-2019, 02:56 PM
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My experience so far is that the First runs and Big Zs have noticeable more glide than the flat protos, and are less beefy than the domey protos. (all of my first runs and big Zs have the same profile. Just a normal dome. Not pop top, not flat.

The Big Z have a ton of glide. I can throw a Big Z on a hyzer and it will carry the hyzer and glide just as far as one of the flat protos flipped up to flat with a little turn.

I am leaning toward dropping the flat protos completely, and begin seasoning in a first run, but I currently carry:

1 seasoned, flat proto which I generally only really reach for when I need a hyzer flip lazer or a turnover with late flex.
1 Big Z, which is my go-to bomber.
1 domey proto, which is beefy and holds up to winds
Yeah, I wouldn't take my star Destroyer out of the bag for either of my proto Kongs. The Kongs are beefier and shorter than the Destroyer I throw. My 2 Kongs remind me of really flat, stubborn 4X McBeth star Destroyers.

Even when I massacre one of the Kongs it seems to fly shorter than my Destroyer.
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Old 10-21-2019, 06:13 PM
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Finally got to throw the Zeus today. I had two of the first runs. One was near max weight and also threw a mid 160s as well. The max weight one flew like I thought it would. Didn't see the -1 turn but it had good forward fade. I like this one for forehands as well. Probably going to be my go-to forehand distance driver. The lighter Zeus when thrown hard and flat it went right with out a thought of coming back. When I threw it with hyzer it will flip up ride a but to the right and came all the way back at the end.

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Is the Proto Kong PDGA approved for competition? The release after the test flight, but prior to first run Zeus?
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Old 02-22-2020, 12:38 PM
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Is the Proto Kong PDGA approved for competition? The release after the test flight, but prior to first run Zeus?
It is Pdga approved. Paul himself used it in many competition's before the name change.
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Old 02-22-2020, 12:41 PM
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Is the Proto Kong PDGA approved for competition? The release after the test flight, but prior to first run Zeus?
Yes. The PDGA site even lists the Zeus as the former Kong. I had no problems throwing my Kong in 3 sanctioned events last year. Same thing goes for all the PM/PP TFs and Protos.
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Old 03-03-2020, 06:06 PM
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Paul McBeth seems to have switched most of his distance shots to the Zeus instead of the Force. Last year he seemed to throw almost all Forces for big drives.

Watching some Memorial coverage, he threw the Zeus a ton, and the Force really not at all.

I guess Discraft finally got the disc the way he wants it.

Maybe even Paul felt the prototype Kongs were too beefy.
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Old 03-04-2020, 02:51 AM
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Paul McBeth seems to have switched most of his distance shots to the Zeus instead of the Force. Last year he seemed to throw almost all Forces for big drives.

Watching some Memorial coverage, he threw the Zeus a ton, and the Force really not at all.

I guess Discraft finally got the disc the way he wants it.

Maybe even Paul felt the prototype Kongs were too beefy.
I also noticed this and was kind of surprised, although I’m fairly certain in a decent headwind he would probably trust a force more than a zeus.
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Old 03-04-2020, 05:17 AM
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I don΄t think Paul really had the time to dial in the Zeus for the 2019 season. . but now he have

It was a thing of beauty to see Paige park the 426ft hole 15 at Fountain Hills with her Zeus both rounds. . the flight she got on that Zeus was SO pure
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