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Old 08-14-2020, 06:00 PM
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Is planting new bushes, etc. an option? What sort of sun do the briars get?

Just wondering if appropriate tall native shrubbery could be planted...
I think a (biological) barrier might be a good answer, Rastnav, with the goal being that the "good" bushes or trees would stop shots before they got into the "bad" briar area. But there are a couple other fixes I'd like to consider first.

Bill, please see my two questions above, about trials and approach distance.
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Old 08-14-2020, 09:48 PM
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John,
We have a group going to the course tommorrow. I'll get more accurate measurements and closer look. I was just shocked when I played last week after not being at the course for a while how aggressive the briers grew on this particular hole. Honestly the rest of the course looks great.

I'm getting old and looking for sustainable solutions! Still I want to challenge players long past my days. I can not achieve immorality through not dying but maybe leaving a few righteous courses!

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Old 08-14-2020, 09:56 PM
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I can not achieve immorality through not dying but maybe leaving a few righteous courses!
That's a great thought, Bill. Have fun tomorrow, and I'll await your report.
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Old 08-15-2020, 07:28 AM
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A few thoughts on the briars, from the owner of a private course that started as a briar patch, and is now practically briar-free (except for the ridiculously bad shot):

Mowing needs to be done persistently, otherwise, if it's a sunny site, the briars will return. A heavy-duty string trimmer is more selective in what it takes out. Herbicides, if the law and your conscience allow, are more effective and selective (but skip Roundup and go with something with 2,4-D; it'll do a better job on the briars, and not kill any grass that may come up). In the long run, shade is the best; if trees grow up where the briars are, they'll shade them out.

One option, if you don't want to open that area up to intentional throws, but want to lessen the pain, is to mow a series of search paths through it. This allows players to search for their discs on clear paths, which is not only less painful but much quicker, and generally the extraction of the disc is easier if it's within 6 feet of a path. But it remains an area that no one wants to go, voluntarily. (On the downside, search paths are still a constant maintenance item).

We once had an optional drop zone for a briar patch, and the key was that the drop zone shot was a little harder than the briarpatch shot, so there was no benefit in choosing it (other than not having to throw while standing in the briars).

My two cents, maybe none of which will be currency in your circumstance.

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Old 08-15-2020, 09:10 AM
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I'm going to take everyone's ideas into consideration when I go to the course today.

One thing I am also considering. Most players who end up in bad stuff are trying to right turnover to get advantage on dogleg but errantly flip disc.

Really no advantage for a few feet, but you know players will try anything for some perceived advantage.

I've always said if a building with an open window was between a player and the basket they would try throwing through the window.

I'll share my findings later.
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Old 08-15-2020, 09:13 AM
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One option, if you don't want to open that area up to intentional throws, but want to lessen the pain, is to mow a series of search paths through it. This allows players to search for their discs on clear paths, which is not only less painful but much quicker, and generally the extraction of the disc is easier if it's within 6 feet of a path. But it remains an area that no one wants to go, voluntarily. (On the downside, search paths are still a constant maintenance item).
That's an elegantly simple, reasonably effective, and fairly cost efficient solution.

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Old 08-15-2020, 10:42 AM
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That's an elegantly simple, reasonably effective, and fairly cost efficient solution.
Thanks. It is, at least a compromise. You'd rather not have the briars at all. But a lot of what we do, is compromise.

We use the same technique with tall grass in the summer, when the growth outpaces our mowing. We'll at least cut paths every 10 feet or so through knee- or waist-high grass, so you can walk unimpeded until you spot the errant disc.
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Thanks. It is, at least a compromise. You'd rather not have the briars at all. But a lot of what we do, is compromise.

We use the same technique with tall grass in the summer, when the growth outpaces our mowing. We'll at least cut paths every 10 feet or so through knee- or waist-high grass, so you can walk unimpeded until you spot the errant disc.
Bill cuts pads into the tall grass on the sides of the fairway at flip... I love that. Really makes looking for your disc so much easier because you can confine the search to a specific square.

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Thanks. It is, at least a compromise. You'd rather not have the briars at all. But a lot of what we do, is compromise.

We use the same technique with tall grass in the summer, when the growth outpaces our mowing. We'll at least cut paths every 10 feet or so through knee- or waist-high grass, so you can walk unimpeded until you spot the errant disc.
I have seen this used at Lemon Lake on the Gold course, it does help a lot.

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Played today. BTW one of four went into briers. He opted to play through the woods. Throwing overtop. Great third shot to park saving par. All four players shot par.

John- parallel lines near blue tees are primatve gravel roads.

I was off on my distances add about 25 feet to stated distance to dogleg. From dogleg center 175 ft to pin .

Briar bushes are clusters of large plants about six foot tall. It is really a solid mass pretty deep. The suggestion to cut paths might work, still I am afraid of opening up a backdoor route.

If you look in the pix the fairway narrows this is the worst area. It straddles a ditch.

Group thought if we could cut the large briar bush prior to ditch and widen the fairway about 5 ft past the ditch this could help with a lot of the problem. Will need a brush hog so park will need to assist. In the area cleared when bush proceeding ditch is cleared we could plant a fast growing tree or trees. The trees could block errant shots and eventually provide a vertical obstacle on fairway edge which will affect players choice of shots.

Since we will be brushhogging maybe we can work in access paths not oriented towards basket so throwing lanes are not created.

Thoughts?
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