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Someone on JohnE's facebook page asked the question why he didn't want to be filmed.. Here was his answer: "The distractions on the course yesterday were a bit frustrating. It's my personal choice, as a player, to request the distractions to stop."


That’s bull****. Go home and play with your friends if you don’t want pressure! We are here to see heroics and blowups alike, stop denying your enablers the commercial or even entertainment value in your implosion because you’re too emotionally fragile to deal with it like a big boy.


That came out meaner than it had to but I can’t think of a less bull****ty way to lay out my issue with that.
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Old 04-20-2018, 05:02 PM
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Old 04-20-2018, 05:12 PM
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Why is everyone so interested to see a pro play a bad round (for him... I'd take it)? I don't watch tourney videos to see people play under their ability. I can go watch the mobs at ZBoaz if that's what I want. Join 'em an pop the top on a few too. I'm not a guy to judge people I know very little about. Everything is done for a reason. I'm sure JohnE has his. I watched the video in question and didn't really miss him at all. He wasn't the "mover" on the card. That's the guy I wanted to see and he was there. I'm trying to learn from what I see. I practice making putts. I like to watch videos of people playing a lot better than me. It pains me to watch a talented player have a bad hole/round. I didn't need to see it. I don't really know why it's such a big deal. I also take pictures and video. Sometimes I just video a hole for fun. I usually edit out / delete the poor shots. I don't need to see them again and I doubt the player in question wants to show them to their friends. Point is... this is between JohnE and the cameraman. We really need to file this under "None of my business" and move on. That's my 2 cents.

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Old 04-20-2018, 05:50 PM
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While I agree with the mob on the idea the filming/not filming stuff I would like to point out my one experience with John E.

In 2001 at Worlds in Ann Arbor I was playing in a group with one of McCray's homies from Clearwater. Our group was MUCH closer to the bottom of the field than the top and so in a different pool from John. We were playing the Monster Course at Hudson Mills and a rainstorm came up which I was unprepared for. About half way through our round John E (who I had never met in my life) came out to see how his buddy was doing and at that point proceeded to hold his umbrella over my unprepared for rain self for the remainder of the storm which had to be at least a half dozen holes of golf and an hour plus. Kindness to strangers.
This doesn't surprise me at all about John. The one time I met him he was pretty personable and friendly. I think I can say this about just about every player I've ever met...off the course. I think we all know or have played with people you enjoy hanging out in the parking lot with before or between rounds but pray you don't get grouped with during a round.

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Why is everyone so interested to see a pro play a bad round (for him... I'd take it)?
I don't think it's about seeing a player have a bad round so much as wanting to see the complete story when watching a tournament round. While it's great to see the guy who played the hot round to see how he made up ground, it's an incomplete story if you don't see what the guy he caught/passed was doing that allowed him to catch up.

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Old 04-20-2018, 06:22 PM
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I don't think it's about seeing a player have a bad round so much as wanting to see the complete story when watching a tournament round. While it's great to see the guy who played the hot round to see how he made up ground, it's an incomplete story if you don't see what the guy he caught/passed was doing that allowed him to catch up.
I grew up in the days when broadcasters would tell a story of greatness 90% of the time and "the agony of defeat" 10% of the time. The missed opportunities were only told when they were relevant to the story of victory. There's an art to story telling. It's a lost art.

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Old 04-20-2018, 06:26 PM
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If the art of editing was done... these 30-35 minute videos of half rounds would be between 10-12 minutes long and a lot more interesting.
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I grew up in the days when broadcasters would tell a story of greatness 90% of the time and "the agony of defeat" 10% of the time. The missed opportunities were only told when they were relevant to the story of victory. There's an art to story telling. It's a lost art.
Guess it comes down to whether you're watching these videos as a highlight package of the tournament, Sportscenter style, or a condensed replay of the full round as it happened.

But even if it is a highlight package, it ought to still tell the story of the "thrill of victory" with some "agony of defeat" mixed in. Maybe not a 90/10 ratio, but certainly not 100/0 like this video did by excluding McCray.

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Old 04-20-2018, 06:33 PM
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Showing JohnE's greatness and heartbreak certainly would have made the video a lot better. Producer's option...
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I don't think JEM is a monster. Generally though, I think he's a D-Bag.
In an amazing coincidence ... JEM think generally you're a D-Bag.

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Why is everyone so interested to see a pro play a bad round (for him... I'd take it)? I don't watch tourney videos to see people play under their ability. I can go watch the mobs at ZBoaz if that's what I want. Join 'em an pop the top on a few too. I'm not a guy to judge people I know very little about. Everything is done for a reason. I'm sure JohnE has his. I watched the video in question and didn't really miss him at all. He wasn't the "mover" on the card. That's the guy I wanted to see and he was there. I'm trying to learn from what I see. I practice making putts. I like to watch videos of people playing a lot better than me. It pains me to watch a talented player have a bad hole/round. I didn't need to see it. I don't really know why it's such a big deal. I also take pictures and video. Sometimes I just video a hole for fun. I usually edit out / delete the poor shots. I don't need to see them again and I doubt the player in question wants to show them to their friends. Point is... this is between JohnE and the cameraman. We really need to file this under "None of my business" and move on. That's my 2 cents.
I'd personally would rather watch Nikko have a bad round just for his putter removal antics than watch like 75% of players have good rounds. There's only so much drama from watching KJ Nybo make circle's edge putts routinely.

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