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Old 06-29-2015, 09:30 PM
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not really inconsistent like blizzard anything outside of the FRs. MVP doesn't make crazy domed discs or the same mold with a PLH which fits under the other etc. Sure some have their faults and MVP isn't perfect but ive never found a MVP disc to be weirdly domey or out of shape like many, many other brands.

Again, they have their faults im not saying perfection but IMO they do the best in the game right now when it comes down to controlling runs, plastics, weights, colors whateverrrr they kill it.
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Old 06-30-2015, 01:54 AM
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Man I ordered a 168 sure hope it's not too US. If so I'll just get a max weight.
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Old 06-30-2015, 01:57 AM
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Got my 153g Wave in the mail today... ... good disc, but unexpectedly, shockingly understable.
I use a 155 Crave as a hyzer flip laser/tail wind driver where my 168 Watermelon is straight stable. I have a 166 P Insanity that is a long turning stable/understable control driver where my buddies 150s N Insanity is just understable for me. I think the Fission is the exception to the norm, but typical 150 class gyro is a different beast. The advantage of this is having the same disc in a variety of weights for different shots. I'd try a heavy wave before something else, if I were you, just to see.
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Old 06-30-2015, 09:21 AM
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I'd try a heavy wave before something else, if I were you, just to see.
I'll probably eventually do something like that. The disc I have is great, especially when I throw it right. I'm going to work with it some more, and later on might try a Wave in the 160s...
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:29 AM
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So I had a Wave with the duality stamp pre-ordered, just got to throw it yesterday @ the field.

It's marked 168, and comparing it to the 175 I had in the bag this past weekend, it's pretty fliptastic, and seems even more nose angle sensitive. Quite noticeably more US than the max wt. I know some Gyro molds show less stability when you drop 7-8 grams, but this is the biggest difference I've experienced so far.

To be honest, I'm not sure I have the precision w/r/t nose/release angle and arm plane to control this 168. I don't throw hard enough to really get the most out of it on high all out D lines, and I struggle to keep it from flipping all the way over on low hyzer-flip type lines, even with a solid tailwind. I get more D on a consistent basis from the 175, even though it seems to have a little less glide, and drops quickly as it slows down.

I did get a couple of decent rollers out of it, which I'm not very good at, so it gets down into good roller angles pretty easily.
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Old 07-01-2015, 11:37 AM
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So I had a Wave with the duality stamp pre-ordered, just got to throw it yesterday @ the field.

It's marked 168, and comparing it to the 175 I had in the bag this past weekend, it's pretty fliptastic, and seems even more nose angle sensitive. Quite noticeably more US than the max wt. I know some Gyro molds show less stability when you drop 7-8 grams, but this is the biggest difference I've experienced so far.

To be honest, I'm not sure I have the precision w/r/t nose/release angle and arm plane to control this 168. I don't throw hard enough to really get the most out of it on high all out D lines, and I struggle to keep it from flipping all the way over on low hyzer-flip type lines, even with a solid tailwind. I get more D on a consistent basis from the 175, even though it seems to have a little less glide, and drops quickly as it slows down.

I did get a couple of decent rollers out of it, which I'm not very good at, so it gets down into good roller angles pretty easily.
For reference, how far are you throwing these, Toro?
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My 166g is a little more understable but i wouldn't call it flippy. The wave in general surprised me how much HS turn it has.
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For reference, how far are you throwing these, Toro?
Oh, good point. Say, about 375. With a few pushing 400, I can't get there easily, but I hit it some. The lighter one had a wider margin, like 350-400, because I was struggling to control it. I hadn't done field work in maybe 2 weeks, and it showed, form was clearly sloppy. I really had a hard time getting the ideal nose angle dialed in, especially with the 168. The 175 just felt a little more controllable, but with a more aggressive (D reducing) fade.

It was fairly windy, nothing nuts, but gusty/swirly. Probably also affected things.
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Oh, good point. Say, about 375. With a few pushing 400, I can't get there easily, but I hit it some. The lighter one had a wider margin, like 350-400, because I was struggling to control it. I hadn't done field work in maybe 2 weeks, and it showed, form was clearly sloppy. I really had a hard time getting the ideal nose angle dialed in, especially with the 168. The 175 just felt a little more controllable, but with a more aggressive (D reducing) fade.

It was fairly windy, nothing nuts, but gusty/swirly. Probably also affected things.

This may not've been clear, but this class is seriously at the outer edge of my power limit, if not slightly beyond it. I'm not seeing much D difference really between the 163 F Photon and my baby broken in 168 P Tesla. Like MAYBE 10-20 ft average, mostly due to the muted fade I get from the F Pho's I'm thinking.

So if that requires a grain of salt for anyone, so be it.

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I threw a 174 Wave and a I can't remember Photon yesterday. They were similar for me, with the Wave being slightly longer and fading later. I could not actually turn the Wave like I thought I would. Best comparison would be somewhere between Gstar and Champ Tern. Very fun discs. I could see me covering all my DD needs with 1 photon and a couple Waves. No hurry though as my courses will likely remain underwater until mid August.
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