Par Talk

[oldmandiscer]

Originally Posted by Steve West

Seeing too many scores lower than par is purely and only a symptom of setting par in a way that is different than the definition.



I know you skipped that quote, so go back and read it. Slowly. Aloud. Put an emphasis on all the words that being with "e". Mull it over.

Consider what happens when par is set according to the definition. There can't be too many scores under par because most players cannot play better than an expert who is making no errors.

You don't understand the problem. The problem isn't par. The problem is the easiness of putting. Sure by your definition we should have flat mostly open 600-700 foot par 3's. But that's a boring hole no matter what "par" you call it. Miss marked par is just a SYMPTOM of the real problem. If baskets were properly sized we wouldn't see 60% of players "birdieing" those holes.

I don't care about your par definition! I care about watching great, fair and challenging disc golf.

[DavidSauls]

It's not Steve's definition of par, it's the definition of par. If you don't care about it, what are you doing in the Park Talk thread?

[oldmandiscer]

Originally Posted by DavidSauls

It's not Steve's definition of par, it's the definition of par. If you don't care about it, what are you doing in the Park Talk thread?

Because the solution isn't to change par it's to change the basket.

[DavidSauls]

This thread is about correctly applying par, regardless of basket.

[txmxer]

Originally Posted by oldmandiscer

Because the solution isn't to change par it's to change the basket.

So the solution to your perceived problem of design gimmicks is to introduce your preferred gimmick?

BRILLIANT!

[wolfhaley]

That's his response to everything. Logic and common sense be damned!

[Steve West]

Originally Posted by oldmandiscer

Because the solution isn't to change par it's to change the basket.

Nobody is changing par. We are trying to get more TDs to apply the actual definition.

[oldmandiscer]

Originally Posted by Steve West

Nobody is changing par. We are trying to get more TDs to apply the actual definition.

And you could if you changed the basket.

[Steve West]

Originally Posted by oldmandiscer

And you could if you changed the basket.

And we can if we don't change the basket.

You'll find no support for changing the basket by bringing par into the mix. Nor will anyone else find any opposition. Whether you add a throw to each hole, or make every hole less than 25 feet, par will adapt and work just fine if the definition is used.

Whatever the basket, there will be a score expected of an expert with errorless play and that score will be a good score to get and if TDs set par to that score there will not be too many scores under par.

[teemkey]

Originally Posted by Steve West

Nobody is changing par. We are trying to get more TDs to apply the actual definition.

Since the actual definition has only three variables for the TD to consider when determining par, what do you think they're getting wrong?