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Old 12-21-2018, 09:03 AM
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Gooby has definitely improved. Still a lot of improvement can be made without athleticism. IMO athleticism just makes your current form more powerful. IMO it's more mental/technique and practice - trusting basic fundamental changes in posture/balance and swing intention that seem and feel really counter-intuitive.
When we talk about mental/technique posture/balance, we are talking about athleticism though. It's the mind body connection to be able to make those changes. I didn't mean to say Gooby is a lost cause, but stuff like hammer throws/battering ram make more sense if your mind and body has some sort of reference point.
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Old 12-21-2018, 09:33 AM
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I really enjoyed Simon's video also. The format of side-by-side, synced video's of Simon and someone like the rest of us (thanks Michael!!) was very good. It made it very easy to compare where we should be at each step of the throw.

So I made notes last night to refer back to, then went out in the garage to walk-thru and get the feel of Simon's instruction. I could kind of tell what I was doing right and wrong and what I needed work on. But sometimes it was hard to visualize.

So this morning, after working out at the gym, I was stretching upper body in front of a wall of mirrors in the free weight room. So I get the idea, since no one else is here, I can walk through the process and watch myself the whole time. I grabbed a 2 lb weight to simulate a disc. Then I thought, I can go full speed to put it all together.
Errr ... wait a minute, if I lose this weight, something is gonna break! So, I found one of those little sliding pads, about the size of a disc, and used that to "move my body around". That worked fine, still no one else there, so I went full speed and released the foam, plastic disc against the wall!!

Yeaaaa, a new way to work on my drive, full speed and release of a "disc". Can't wait to "hit the gym" again. !!
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Old 12-21-2018, 09:45 AM
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My problem with the pump has always been timing it. I can pump similar to McBeth or Doss, but when it comes to the Feldy or SW22 pump, I can't throw anything but hyzers (which I've seen out of both of them).
In terms of timing, I think if you just start at same time Mcbeth does (right ft land pump) the rest is just feeling the force so to speak.



If Feldy underswing pendulum so to speak doesn't jive, worth trying Eric Oakley's relatively more horizontal wide backswing a try, even if just for kicks. Little easier to throw slight hyzer ("flat") throws IME. Note: you have to pay extra attention to "no collapse/hugging" of upper arm angle with this (thank you SW).

Note: I am posting Danny's video here because it was easiest place to find slowmotion video of Oakley. I don't even know what he's saying at this point in video because I have volume on mute to not wake my kids. I tried to start this at 1:19 but failed

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Old 12-21-2018, 09:48 AM
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Not to sound too harsh Gooby, but lack of athleticism is killing your advances. Drills try to advance an understanding of how to control your body, but if you have no reference for athletic starting and finishing positions, it's SUPER hard to learn those later in life. Stuff like learning ice skating or skateboarding would do wonders for your DG game.

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Either way, there's no magic bullet. I think we want to believe something will just click and we'll throw like Drew Gibson, but that's really not how it works. You have to grind and you have fail, but most of all you need to throw a million Frisbees and film yourself constantly.
I had to laugh at this. I'm pushing 40 and am definitely not what I would consider "athletic" anymore, but I think part of my struggles come from playing baseball growing up. I've probably thrown on the order of 50K pitches in my life, and my pitching form has a slightly exaggerated forward lean and low release point. I think that probably ingrained in my subconscious that I'm supposed to lean toward the target when I'm throwing something. That's a very hard habit to break for disc golf, and even when I think I'm not doing it, video shows otherwise. I'm sure many of us who picked up the sport late have a similar bad habit, which is one of the reasons filming yourself is so important.

I'm not under any illusion that I'll ever throw 500'. I don't think I'd even want to put in the work to throw that hard considering what it would probably do to my shoulder. It's much easier to do long-term damage to joints from repeated motions once you get older. But I don't think a consistent, controllable 350' on a golf line is too far a goal for a healthy adult male. That's enough distance to be competitive in MA2/MA40, which is enough for me considering how little time I have available to practice.

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Old 12-29-2018, 10:30 PM
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I have such problems with drills that I'm really tempted to just fly to hyzer or sw for a week and pay them to fix me.

Something about reading the critique loses something in translation. I couldn't even get how to stand on my front leg properly after a few videos attempting to do so lol.

I'm 31 and did a front side flip a few weeks ago, and played college basketball, so I'd hope it's not a lack of athleticism.

I've got so 'into' my own head with form I went from throwing 400 to a strong arm 330' most days. Which totally ruins the enjoyment. I did better when I was just attempting to crank on a disc, and now I can't get back to that clear mind
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Old 12-29-2018, 11:07 PM
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I have such problems with drills that I'm really tempted to just fly to hyzer or sw for a week and pay them to fix me.

Something about reading the critique loses something in translation. I couldn't even get how to stand on my front leg properly after a few videos attempting to do so lol.

I'm 31 and did a front side flip a few weeks ago, and played college basketball, so I'd hope it's not a lack of athleticism.

I've got so 'into' my own head with form I went from throwing 400 to a strong arm 330' most days. Which totally ruins the enjoyment. I did better when I was just attempting to crank on a disc, and now I can't get back to that clear mind
Sometimes it can help to just walk away from it all for a couple of weeks. Don't throw or think about discs. Or maybe change the focus to just having fun or spending time with friends or spending time in nature. I know when I was competing I ended up getting angry and not having fun and that totally spiraled into throwing even worse. Now after switching to right handed, my expectations totally changed and I'm having fun just throwing discs again.
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Old 12-30-2018, 12:20 AM
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I wish lol. I tore both my labrums and had bi-lateral hip surgery which stopped my lifting and BJJ competions and stumbled into disc golf. I really only enjoy the competing, not the nature or just throwing. I know that sounds horrible.

Something's gotta give, I'm back handing like that Charles Barkley golf video.
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Old 12-30-2018, 02:43 AM
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I have such problems with drills that I'm really tempted to just fly to hyzer or sw for a week and pay them to fix me.

Something about reading the critique loses something in translation. I couldn't even get how to stand on my front leg properly after a few videos attempting to do so lol.

I'm 31 and did a front side flip a few weeks ago, and played college basketball, so I'd hope it's not a lack of athleticism.

I've got so 'into' my own head with form I went from throwing 400 to a strong arm 330' most days. Which totally ruins the enjoyment. I did better when I was just attempting to crank on a disc, and now I can't get back to that clear mind
That happened to me too. I just wasn't comfortable with my upper body to the point that I could ignore it. Or the change in my lower body necessitated a change in my upper body that I didn't get immediately. I believe the saying is "one step backward for two steps forward".
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