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Putting is too easy, narrower basket would be nice on challenging courses 84 17.43%
Putting is about right, keep the basket size 383 79.46%
Putting is too hard, Make the baskets bigger 15 3.11%
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Old 03-31-2015, 09:48 PM
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Imo smaller baskets will likely mean fewer go fors, more layups, and a skill equalization as more long missed by skilled players result in the same tap in 2nd putt that less skilled players will also be dropping in.

...But I like that someone is actually doing research and not just pulling a hunch out of your backside like I just did. Thanks for that.
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Old 04-01-2015, 01:25 AM
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Since I can't determine the circle all the time I rated everything with an obvious putting motion and obviously "going for it" as a putt. But this is definitely a flaw in those numbers.

I wanted to count three putts - but there is only a single one in all those with a very broken putting motion.
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If we're comparing ourselves to stick golf (again), then putting is too easy.
If we're talking about regular Joes, most think putting is too hard.

Personally, I don't think there's a problem.
What exactly is the problem?

Are we discussing this again because the best putter on tour wants to make it harder for everyone? If the Pros think putting is too easy, let them work it out. Me and my friends are still having a blast on the same basket that we started on. No change necessary, thanks.

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Old 04-01-2015, 08:13 AM
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Personally, I don't think there's a problem.
What exactly is the problem?
The problem is that we think the pros make about 90% of their putts. The pros think they make 91% of their putts. That seems to be not enough challenge so the first thing that comes to mind is changing the basket.

Turns out the pros only make 60% of their putts. And the baskets are just fine. I think making slightly above 50% is just right for pros.
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Since I can't determine the circle all the time I rated everything with an obvious putting motion and obviously "going for it" as a putt. But this is definitely a flaw in those numbers.

I wanted to count three putts - but there is only a single one in all those with a very broken putting motion.
Thanks. Obviously, better numbers could be produced by separating putts by distance and, more obviously, it would be a major endeavor to do it.

Very interesting that there was only one 3-putt in the batch, 3-putts being one of my specialties. It's a reminder that top players hit a lot of long putts because they can freely go for them, knowing that if they miss, they'll still make the comeback. Which plays back into this thread, in that if the comebacks weren't virtually guaranteed, they'd presumably lay up more often. As I should.
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Thanks. Obviously, better numbers could be produced by separating putts by distance and, more obviously, it would be a major endeavor to do it.

Very interesting that there was only one 3-putt in the batch, 3-putts being one of my specialties. It's a reminder that top players hit a lot of long putts because they can freely go for them, knowing that if they miss, they'll still make the comeback. Which plays back into this thread, in that if the comebacks weren't virtually guaranteed, they'd presumably lay up more often. As I should.
I know it's been thrown out there, but if we make the baskets smaller, the result will be more layups. That's great for scoring separation, but it will be B-O-R-I-N-G.
Which begs the question, which is better for DG, A)scoring separation or B) continuing long runs at putts.
I'll vote for B.
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Old 04-01-2015, 08:54 AM
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I know it's been thrown out there, but if we make the baskets smaller, the result will be more layups. That's great for scoring separation, but it will be B-O-R-I-N-G.
Which begs the question, which is better for DG, A)scoring separation or B) continuing long runs at putts.
I'll vote for B.
I've said that myself, but I think it depends on how much smaller the baskets are.

There should be a threshold, somewhere below current size, where people are still running at the basket.

In fact, one of the courses I play most, Earlewood, has noticeably narrower baskets, and it doesn't produce a flood of layups.
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I am going to have to go with designing better greens in order to make putting harder. This is much easier to do on course with trees and plenty of elevation. As this sport continues to grow, we will eventually have courses that we consider the top echelon (John Houck has a monopoly on most of these already)... and both the fairways and greens are what will distinguish those courses... not the baskets.
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I'm with goose.

better course/green design is the answer, not smaller baskets.
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Old 04-01-2015, 09:19 AM
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Me too. If you think putting is to easy, go pro. If you think its too hard, get your ass out there and practice. What we have now is way better than a hole in the ground.
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