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Old 06-14-2017, 02:19 AM
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I'll always disagree with people thinking Deis Hill is overrated. Add a handful of trees and its close to perfect IMO. Unpopular opinion, but I've always felt peoples conditioning and lack of distance colors their view on that one too much. Sure #1, #13 and #18 are on the too open side, but from some reviews you'd think there aren't any wooded holes. Half the course is wooded. Stuff like #2, #5, #6, #7, #17 etc. aren't wide open bombers. It has some of the most memorable holes I've played, the best tee signs I've ever seen, killer elevation, three sets of tees and it's usually empty. It was one of the first courses I've played and 100+ courses later I miss it like hell. It's always first on my list when I vacation in Ohio.

Rolling Pines I'm curious what you didn't like about it. If someone asked me what a disc golf course should be, Rolling Pines is one of the first courses that comes to mind. Secluded, challenging, wooded with barely any undergrowth to eat your discs.
I think my review of Deis Hill is self explanatory:
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/revie...mode=rev#56625

Rolling Pines is a fine course, but it didn't really wow me and had some serious safety issues with really slippery tees and holes too close to each other. Doesn't make my personal top 25.
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Old 06-14-2017, 03:02 AM
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I think my review of Deis Hill is self explanatory:
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/revie...mode=rev#56625

Rolling Pines is a fine course, but it didn't really wow me and had some serious safety issues with really slippery tees and holes too close to each other. Doesn't make my personal top 25.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/revie...mode=rev#62502
Thanks, I like reading contrary opinions. Some notes as I read along, while I wait for my RL video to save....

Deis Hill:

I disagree about 1 having no risk. I have seen countless players hyzer out hard towards the bottom of the hill by not properly accounting for wind and elevation. It'd definitely be a better hole with more obstacles, but I think the wind and steep hill do create some risk / reward. If I throw a good drive that goes long and stays towards the top of the hill, I set myself up for an eagle. If I hyzer out to the bottom I'm playing for a birdie or par. Agreed on the long tee having bad sign placement, but since its natural there's no reason you can't take an extra step or two further back.

Agreed on your comments regarding the blue tees not being paved. To me it feels like the white tees are what the course was designed around, and many of the blue tees are more or less an after thought. There are exceptions, like #14 and #8.

It can definitely get warm out here in the summer but its never bothered me. Its something players should be aware of so its good you noted it in your review. I think it has enough benches. #1, #4, #5, #10, #11, #12, #14, #16 all have benches close by. It would be more convenient if they were right next to the tees though.

I'm immune to poison ivy so that's something I never take into account when I disc golf.

#16 plays next to the road more than over it. There's potential to go across the road, but it has to be a pretty bad shot. I disagree on #17, it's a classic tunnel shot with greater risk than most. I love it. Throw a clean shot and take an easy two, fub it and you could kick and roll down a massive hill and be scrambling for par. That's a lot more interesting than the typical flat tunnel shots.

All in all I think you played it on a bad day. Most of the times I've played it I have the course to myself save for a few people walking around the paths by 4's basket. I've never had anyone in the fairways and I've never had to wait for any groups. Not many people play it because of how hilly it is.

Would you change your rating at all if you played it on an empty day?

I admit I have some bias being able to throw far, because holes like #1 blue and #13 blue offer me eagle opportunities that someone with 300-400' of distance won't be able to shoot for. Is this good design? I think not, it caters a little too much to big arms, and gives them a bit of an unfair advantage. On the flip side, here in Charlotte I can basically count on one hand how many holes offer rewards for the ability to drive 500', which is something I find frustrating.

Damn near every single course in the world has holes that reward accuracy, but there are many 18 hole courses where being able to throw 400', much less 500' or 600', offers no benefit. I feel like most courses lean too much in favor rewarding accuracy rather than a combination of distance and accuracy. Especially in Charlotte, many of the longer holes require placement shots to hit doglegs, so on a 650' hole at Nevin I might not even use a driver, but throw a couple of hyzers with mids.

Rolling Pines:

I thought the tees were perfect, but I did play on a dry day. Might change my tune if they were wet. I enjoyed the inlaid hole numbers.

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A couple holes are near impossible birdies, holes 4, 5, 14 and 16 come to mind, and hole 9 depending on the wind
I got an easy birdie on 4, messed up a roller on 5 but felt it was possible, 14 I threw too overstable of a disc for the line, 16 I had a bad drive and was punished for it. 4 I don't think is difficult, it just requires being able to throw far. The others are definitely some of the tougher par 3's I've thrown, but IMO they are par 3's for a high end player that has distance, accuracy and a large bag of tricks. e.g. if you can throw a good backhand roller it will change your perception of 5 VS someone who can't (Not trying to imply you can't, its just an example that comes to mind)

I think the gold tees cater to a higher skill level than most courses do, and the pars reflect that. That is something that I enjoy. Few courses make me work this hard for birdies, and I liked feeling challenged. That's one of the reasons I view Rolling Pines in such a positive light. Some of these holes would be listed as Par 4 at any other course. IMO its rare to find courses with pars this challenging, so when I do find it, I savor it.

There was a group on #18 when I started my round, otherwise it was empty when I played. I seem to have better luck than you when it comes to that sort of thing

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Old 06-14-2017, 08:28 AM
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Old 06-14-2017, 08:58 AM
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Rolling Pines is a fine course, but it didn't really wow me and had some serious safety issues with really slippery tees and holes too close to each other. Doesn't make my personal top 25.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/revie...mode=rev#62502
I think this would be my answer. Even many people in Rolling pines target audience of higher level pros do not go for a hole like 4 with OB on the left and death on the right. I filmed an event out there a while ago and the card included MJ, Henry Childres, and some other pros with solid arms and no one got close to several par 3's on the longs due to distance or shape(7 and 14 are examples) but everyone got 3's unless they drastically messed up. Scoring separation just isn't there which is something I value in a course. Add that to the slick tees and the OB lines arbitrarily hanging in the trees on that par 4 up on the hill

That is by no means saying I think Rolling Pines is awful and obviously people like it. It is still a solid course in my mind that is beautiful, flows well, and allows you to rip a few drives. It just doesnt tickle my fancy.
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I like RL Smith but it's second tier Charlotte disc golf. Not a 4.

I'm not sure why I didn't review Rolling Pines but some of the reviews are way over the top glorifying it. It has design flaws that limit score separation, I remember that more than the beauty aspect of the land. I'd have to play it again to rate it.

Anyone giving the Patriot a 4 or higher needs to get out more and stop jerking off on amenities.

Whatever that one course we played in PA was way overrated. I'm to lazy to look it up.

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I like RL Smith but it's second tier Charlotte disc golf. Not a 4.

I'm not sure why I didn't review Rolling Pines but some of the reviews are way over the top glorifying it. It has design flaws that limit score separation, I remember that more than the beauty aspect of the land. I'd have to play it again to rate it.

Anyone giving the Patriot a 4 or higher needs to get out more and stop jerking off on amenities.

Whatever that one course we played in PA was way overrated. I'm to lazy to look it up.
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Old 06-14-2017, 03:48 PM
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The scoring separation remark is interesting. That's something I would never think about as a more often than not solo player who rarely competes.

I'm genuinely surprised at the perception #4 at Rolling Pines gets. I really do not find it complicated at all. Throw a 450' shot straight, then putt.

#5 is much trickier....IMO you need a god-like forehand, or a high level backhand roller to have a birdie opportunity. I consider it much more difficult than #4. I even tried a few extra shots off the tee after messing up my initial throw, and none of those extra shots were much better than my first. #4 I never thought twice about, its a very straight forward hole.

I do agree with the ropes on the Par 4 on the hill (#12 I think). I feel like if you're that far down either side of the fairway, that's already punishment enough. Most players are probably going to have to pitch back in to the fairway and take a stroke just getting into position for their upshot.

I'm going to check out the tourney videos of this course now, you guys have piqued my curiosity.
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Interesting. All four players on this card chose to lay up instead of trying to setup a birdie opportunity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyZG8HMWCAU&t=10m0s

I wonder if they'd all play it the same way in a casual round with nothing on the line?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXc4ZAavmo8&t=0m50s That's how I played it for comparison.

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I like RL Smith but it's second tier Charlotte disc golf. Not a 4.

I'm not sure why I didn't review Rolling Pines but some of the reviews are way over the top glorifying it. It has design flaws that limit score separation, I remember that more than the beauty aspect of the land. I'd have to play it again to rate it.

Anyone giving the Patriot a 4 or higher needs to get out more and stop jerking off on amenities.

Whatever that one course we played in PA was way overrated. I'm to lazy to look it up.
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The scoring separation remark is interesting. That's something I would never think about as a more often than not solo player who rarely competes.

I'm genuinely surprised at the perception #4 at Rolling Pines gets. I really do not find it complicated at all. Throw a 450' shot straight, then putt.

#5 is much trickier....IMO you need a god-like forehand, or a high level backhand roller to have a birdie opportunity. I consider it much more difficult than #4. I even tried a few extra shots off the tee after messing up my initial throw, and none of those extra shots were much better than my first. #4 I never thought twice about, its a very straight forward hole.

I do agree with the ropes on the Par 4 on the hill (#12 I think). I feel like if you're that far down either side of the fairway, that's already punishment enough. Most players are probably going to have to pitch back in to the fairway and take a stroke just getting into position for their upshot.

I'm going to check out the tourney videos of this course now, you guys have piqued my curiosity.
Road and beyond is OB on #4, right? That's probably the sticking point regards to casual vs. tourney rounds. That's a wee bit narrow a landing zone from that distance for folks to bomb away confidently in a tourney setting, is my guess. I agree with you on #5, I have neither high level roller or god-like FH and I'm pretty much resigned to getting a boring 3 on that one. I'm not a Gold level player either though, FWIW.
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Road and beyond is OB on #4, right? That's probably the sticking point regards to casual vs. tourney rounds. That's a wee bit narrow a landing zone from that distance for folks to bomb away confidently in a tourney setting, is my guess. I agree with you on #5, I have neither high level roller or god-like FH and I'm pretty much resigned to getting a boring 3 on that one. I'm not a Gold level player either though, FWIW.
Yeah for the competitive play hole number four has too much risk with the OB and then I believe they play it as a drop zone from the short pad if you go OB so the risk there is way higher. Not worth most players going for the birdie.

Also forgot to mention the baskets. Not a fan of the kingpins because it seems they catch poorly.
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