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Old 11-30-2018, 12:03 PM
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I have mixed feelings about the cedars. They make solid, well-defined obstacles; no hoping your bad-throw will "get through". As such, they can be useful.

And they're evergreen---we need as much green as we can find, in the winter.

On the other hand, they're excellent disc-catchers, and a pain to get discs out of.

And when you decide you don't want them, cut them down and haul them off, the little scales get in your clothes and hair, and torment you for the rest of the day, in revenge.
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Old 11-30-2018, 12:13 PM
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I have mixed feelings about the cedars. They make solid, well-defined obstacles; no hoping your bad-throw will "get through". As such, they can be useful.

And they're evergreen---we need as much green as we can find, in the winter.

On the other hand, they're excellent disc-catchers, and a pain to get discs out of.

And when you decide you don't want them, cut them down and haul them off, the little scales get in your clothes and hair, and torment you for the rest of the day, in revenge.
Couldn't agree more with all of this.

My experience with the last part revolves more around me hitting the low branches with the roll bar on my mower and having the scales fall on me, into my shirt, and between me and my seat back. Itchy and annoying would be a drastic understatement. There's areas where I've literally removed every single cedar branch within an acre that's low enough that my roll bar hits it just because of how annoying they are. Looks like a manicured park when it's done though, so at least there's that.

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Old 11-30-2018, 12:49 PM
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Sitting on my office desk, itching, just because I read that.
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Old 12-09-2018, 08:51 AM
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I like cedars, even on the course, but we have a good variety of trees. So much so that I am stealing the hole/tree name idea from Augusta for Broken Oak DGC. At some point I'll post the list, which I think is complete.
Sitting here watching it snow, which likely means little or no work today. Not a total loss however. Dug in 18s tee pad Friday after work. Re-routed hole 3s fairway early yesterday, and now need to finalize that tee location. Buddy came up and helped clean up 13s fairway and expand its green. A very large white pine had fallen into a thicket of smaller pines, and required quite a dissection. A controlled drive should land at circles edge now, and it will be demanding to park.

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Old 12-12-2018, 06:53 AM
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And then we got 14" of snow. With over an inch of rain for Friday, according to the forecast. Should be a great weekend to be out working........yeesh.
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Old 12-12-2018, 08:42 AM
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And then we got 14" of snow. With over an inch of rain for Friday, according to the forecast. Should be a great weekend to be out working........yeesh.
Friday should put us over the top for wettest year on record. At least you will never have to worry about areas becoming wet that are not currently.

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Old 12-12-2018, 09:19 AM
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Ditto with the mixed feelings about cedars. Cedar trees (actually Ashe Juniper trees around here) are the most hated plant in Texas. They suck 33 gallons of water a day from the soil, making the survival of other preferred trees, like the native live oaks, more difficult. The pollen from the male cedar trees is heavy and causes a sinus infecting cedar fever so debilitating that many Texans avoid going outside at all during pollen season (not disc golf players, of course). They grow like weeds, and can cover a previously cleared piece of land in a few short years. But after clearing thousands of cedar trees from our property while developing our disc golf courses, I have found a new appreciation them. Especially the dead ones. We keep the poles from every cedar tree we cut because they make great fences, arbors, benches, etc. As mentioned earlier, they stay green all year, which is great. They're also ideal in those narrow strips of land between fairways, providing some privacy and sound buffering. Lots of birds and other wildlife continue to thrive in the middle of our well used courses, thanks in no small part to cedar trees. And then there are those cedar trees that happened to grow just where you would need a tree to shape shots on a disc golf course. Without them, some of our holes would be much less challenging and fun to play. So yes, I do hate cedar trees with a passion. But as a disc golf course owner, I also love them.

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Old 12-12-2018, 11:00 AM
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As a disc golf course owner, with all the same love-the issues, perhaps my biggest annoyance is the small seedlings that come up everywhere, and are depressingly hard to kill. They're very herbicide-tolerant, and regenerate when cut.

The wildlife part is very true. Birds love them. And, in my part of the country, sucking up water is not an issue.

(For what it's worth, virtually everything with the common name of cedar is actually a juniper.)
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Old 12-21-2018, 09:41 AM
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The dream is becoming a true nightmare for us at Granite Mountain.

We are close to $3000 spent in fees, luckily a dger works as an engineer/town planner, so that saved us money in professional bills etc, but I would say right now, its 50/50 that we will ever open again.

Issues around land use, working without approval (we didnt have a plan to submit at any time!), and the biggest one, clearing of protected land. We avoided buying blocks were you cant build or do anything with them, but turns out our mountain is one level off that type of protection. So, the enviros etc are concerned we have been 'clearing'. Take a look for yourself, especially considering the second pic is waaay clearer.



Everyone is asking 'when will you be opening again' but for us, the true and real questions are...will we be bankrupted, fined heavily or, and this is a very real possibility at this time...criminally charged and jailed.

All this, on MY land, that I pay fees and taxes on.

Our course has opened up an amazing landscape that no one previously enjoyed, not just disc golfers, we have airbnb guests climb the mountain all the time, Id say as many as disc golfers have played it...to enjoy a view that was previous near impossible to access.



I really dont know what the future holds, but in the next few weeks we will try and clear up a few piles (rarely can we legally burn here), using our small chipper and a chainsaw or two. Bring on the 100 degree days!
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Old 12-21-2018, 11:43 AM
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That's crazy Nate. I wish you good luck with your land/zoning/conservation folks.

Based off the Aerials, I'd be inclined to say that your land is actually more vegetated than it was in the previous overhead pic. Not by a lot, but everything looks more full.

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