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Old 04-21-2011, 02:02 PM
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HDC Par/grodney Par/Design Par - ...
CR Par - ...
PDGA Par - ...
Actually, I think that 3 other names are more useful:

Traditional Golf (TG) par = HDC Par/grodney Par/Design Par. Based on "throws to the basket + 2" like the older cousin TG.

Close Range (CR) Par = CR Par. Based on number of throws to "a larger green" + 2

Score Average (SA) Par = PDGA Par. Par is determined by scoring averages for a specific skill level.

I've written at length what I see as the major pros and cons of each approach but haven't published it online anywhere. Each camp has it's advocates. TG par has some of the most well known course designers using it (Houck, McDaniel, Duvall), but these guys aren't vocal on forums. SA par has Chuck Kennedy so that became the PDGA standard. Although CR par has supporters and advocates it remains a minority voice crying in the wilderness.
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Old 04-21-2011, 02:27 PM
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I thought all holes were par 3
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Each camp has it's advocates. TG par has some of the most well known course designers using it (Houck, McDaniel, Duvall), but these guys aren't vocal on forums. SA par has Chuck Kennedy so that became the PDGA standard.
Some clarifications here. Using TG only is old news for Houck and Duvall. PDGA par is characterized by using TG initially, if the designer isn't using the Forecaster or PDGA chart, followed by potential adjustment of either the hole lengths or some pars based on actual scores (SA) once a design can be played in competition by rated players. I think you would find that designers start from the point of view that each hole they design is intended to take one, two or three shots to the green. If that turns out not to be the case, then the hole is adjusted to meet the design intention versus the par being changed.
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Old 04-22-2011, 05:42 PM
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Anyone who thinks that everything is a par 3 regardless of length (or unless it's "huge") really doesn't understand par. That's like saying every hole on a ball golf course is a par 3. It's not. And neither is every disc golf hole. If it takes an average of 4 or 5 shots to complete the hole, then it's a par 4 or 5. Period. If the hole is a 500' wooded hole with a narrow fairway and heavy brush lining both sides, then it's a par 4. Heck, it it's 500' in the open it's a par 4 for White, Red and Green level players. The majority of disc golfers are not 950-1000+ rated players, so you can't make par based on those skill levels. If you have only one tee box, consider the skill level for the majority of players that frequent the course. The pros will adjust accordingly if they play it.
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Way to set those 2011 folks straight.

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