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Old 09-10-2019, 10:18 PM
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they need to get rid of the 40+ division period. There isn't that much ability and potential drop off at 40 more like most people over 40 choose to focus their energy and time elsewhere and thus skill decreases. These guys are just too good and should be playing open. Most large MPO tournaments are 1 round a day tee times so endurance shouldn't be a big factor.
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:40 AM
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Nope. The Am Majors for golf do not award titles for a dozen different divisions. At USWDGC in 2 weeks we will award Major titles for 15+ divisions. Looking at it this way the number of Major titles in disc golf likely numbers well over 100.
I hope that every one of the 15+ winners that are crowned at the 2019 USWDGC in Virginia gets to experience much celebration and recognition for the achievement of winning a US Title and winning a PDGA Major Event.


Once upon a time, there was no such thing as a women's only event - let alone a PDGA Major event for women! The USWDGC began as One Division, One Champion event, just like the USDGC. When the event moved from Rock Hill to Peoria in 2002, the Wallis family and the Peoria Frisbee Club ran the event like a Major. They had all the extra touches that make an event a major. There were player packs for everyone, scorekeepers for every card of players, lunches between rounds and special activities for the players. Eventually more divisions were added so that MORE women would want to attend the event. The effort to add more age protected pro and am divisions was spearheaded by Becky Zallek! Every year in Peoria, there was a Final Nine Showcase for ALL of the divisions, not just the FPO! It was great to see the Junior players take the stage for the Final Nine. All the players felt elevated and empowered and this wasn't just "another event" It was different, it felt different and all the women players felt recognized...not just the Pros!


In 2008, the USWDGC became a travelling Major event up for bid. Eventually some organizers decided they wanted to host the "largest event ever" so they started adopting not so awesome TD practices to achieve larger fields. Events added temporary holes, mixed divisions, added ghost cards, stopped providing player packs for Pros and the final nine showcases were discarded. The focus was on "more players" not on a "better experience". Once upon a time winning a division at the USWDGC was a fantastic achievement and the victory was celebrated. It was an amazing feeling to be a part of lifting up all women players, not just the FPO players. This event uniquely brought all women together to celebrate all women.

Now, somehow winning a US Women's title is nothing special because there are "so many" of them? Or they are just not special because they are Am titles or Master titles or Women's titles?

I hope that each and every Champion at the 2019 USWDGC gets to experience celebration and recognition for the achievement of winning the US Title AND a PDGA Major event.

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Old 09-11-2019, 10:14 AM
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I was the TD for 2016 Am Worlds in Madison, WI. The previous year was in Kalamazoo, MI and they had 752 players. With the courses we had, we felt comfortable with 576 players. When the event quickly sold out, some of the people who didn't get in felt the tournament was regressing because there were going to be less people than the year before. Mind you it was still tied for the 5th largest Am Worlds ever. We went with quality over quantity and are glad we did.

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I hope that every one of the 15+ winners that are crowned at the 2019 USWDGC in Virginia gets to experience much celebration and recognition for the achievement of winning a US Title and winning a PDGA Major Event.


Once upon a time, there was no such thing as a women's only event - let alone a PDGA Major event for women! The USWDGC began as One Division, One Champion event, just like the USDGC. When the event moved from Rock Hill to Peoria in 2002, the Wallis family and the Peoria Frisbee Club ran the event like a Major. They had all the extra touches that make an event a major. There were player packs for everyone, scorekeepers for every card of players, lunches between rounds and special activities for the players. Eventually more divisions were added so that MORE women would want to attend the event. The effort to add more age protected pro and am divisions was spearheaded by Becky Zallek! Every year in Peoria, there was a Final Nine Showcase for ALL of the divisions, not just the FPO! It was great to see the Junior players take the stage for the Final Nine. All the players felt elevated and empowered and this wasn't just "another event" It was different, it felt different and all the women players felt recognized...not just the Pros!


In 2008, the USWDGC became a travelling Major event up for bid. Eventually some organizers decided they wanted to host the "largest event ever" so they started adopting not so awesome TD practices to achieve larger fields. Events added temporary holes, mixed divisions, added ghost cards, stopped providing player packs for Pros and the final nine showcases were discarded. The focus was on "more players" not on a "better experience". Once upon a time winning a division at the USWDGC was a fantastic achievement and the victory was celebrated. It was an amazing feeling to be a part of lifting up all women players, not just the FPO players. This event uniquely brought all women together to celebrate all women.

Now, somehow winning a US Women's title is nothing special because there are "so many" of them? Or they are just not special because they are Am titles or Master titles or Women's titles?

I hope that each and every Champion at the 2019 USWDGC gets to experience celebration and recognition for the achievement of winning the US Title AND a PDGA Major event.

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I was the TD for 2016 Am Worlds in Madison, WI. The previous year was in Kalamazoo, MI and they had 752 players. With the courses we had, we felt comfortable with 576 players. When the event quickly sold out, some of the people who didn't get in felt the tournament was regressing because there were going to be less people than the year before. Mind you it was still tied for the 5th largest Am Worlds ever. We went with quality over quantity and are glad we did.
Mr. Glide,
I hear the general message you're trying to send with the post listed above and I understand that as a TD you don't 'make PDGA policy' (inclusion criteria such as automatic bids, etc.) but please note that the players who finished 2nd and 3rd in Adv GM the year before didn't get in because they "couldn't type fast enough"...so the bolded (which I did) part of your statement above really doesn't hold water.
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I think it does. We're wrestling with a local event we run, that filled in an hour last year and may fill much quicker this year. Our options for taking more players means diminishing the quality for everyone. So we're going for quality of quantity, too---the best possible event for those who manage to get in.

As a player I've had that rug pulled out from under me---registered for an event to find that at the last moment, they made changes to add more players and diminish the experience. I've also been left out because I couldn't type fast enough, so I know that anguish, but I'd rather events focus on quality.

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Mr. Glide,
I hear the general message you're trying to send with the post listed above and I understand that as a TD you don't 'make PDGA policy' (inclusion criteria such as automatic bids, etc.) but please note that the players who finished 2nd and 3rd in Adv GM the year before didn't get in because they "couldn't type fast enough"...so the bolded (which I did) part of your statement above really doesn't hold water.
So what’s your solution to this issue?
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Fair enough Karl. I was referring to the event itself...not the registration process. As the host, we were responsible for specific aspects of the event. The PDGA handled the rest including registration, how many spots per division, how many trophies per division, etc.

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Mr. Glide,
I hear the general message you're trying to send with the post listed above and I understand that as a TD you don't 'make PDGA policy' (inclusion criteria such as automatic bids, etc.) but please note that the players who finished 2nd and 3rd in Adv GM the year before didn't get in because they "couldn't type fast enough"...so the bolded (which I did) part of your statement above really doesn't hold water.

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Yes, because the average 45 year old would be competitive with Eagle at the Memorial.
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Yes, because the average 45 year old would be competitive with Eagle at the Memorial.
If that's your takeaway, sure.
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I think the real topic at hand was supposed to be the PDGAs lack of standards across majors. We have technical standards for discs and baskets, but ignore player safety by not having the same for our tee areas. That's on the PDGA not each event. While his point was brought up via the US Master's event, I don't think he was trying to pick at that event or the staff, but more so that the PDGA shouldn't be approving sub par courses with dangerous tee pads or other course issues for our Majors, NTs, and larger events.

Part of the responsibility of the PDGA is to inspect and approve courses for use in Majors and I think a lot of folks would just like to see better standards adhered to.

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