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Old 09-13-2016, 11:52 PM
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Ok I see what you are saying. So it's less of an active hip rotation rather than the hips HAVE to rotate because I'm throwing my weight into the brace by my arm/disc moving forward. Something like that?
Exactly, if you shift the weight with your balance correct, with the intention of throwing, it will all work out. Focus on the shift, not just spinning open quickly.
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Old 09-14-2016, 12:03 AM
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Yep, weight/balance not moving forward(or backward) in the standstill, everything just spins out and very flat footed - get up more dynamic/bouncy/athletic/quick on balls your feet before you go into the backswing. Your whole body ends up over-rotated as your arm is hugging your chest/lagging too far behind - need to get your arm out wide/elbow forward to release with a more closed shoulder.




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Old 09-14-2016, 12:28 PM
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Ok, doing the Hershyzer drill I can finally feel that I'm opening the hips too early instead of shifting them forward and then open. I think I've been watching these drills and just assuming that I am understanding, but it's not until actually DOING THEM when I truly understand the concept. I'll be experimenting in the field with this today. Hopefully throwing some more standstills.

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Old 09-14-2016, 01:27 PM
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Don't try to kill the standstills either, even if they start at 150' just work the way up and it should start to feel more natural.

And you'll be surprised how the more you watch those videos, after understanding a little more at at time, what they keep on revealing. Even more densely packed than they appear.
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I think I've been watching these drills and just assuming that I am understanding, but it's not until actually DOING THEM when I truly understand the concept.
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I didn't get a chance to do fieldwork today, but I did play a quick 3 disc round at my local course. I tried keeping my hips closed longer and thought about crushing the can. While my accuracy sometimes suffered due to my balance being off, I did park a couple holes with a putter that I will usually throw a mid on. The discs were flipping up better on hyzer flip lines too which COULD be indicative of throwing better.

Quick question though: When I "crush the can" should that also be simultaneously moving my shoulder into place and moving the disc forward? I'm kind of seeing that the heel comes down, and THEN the shoulder/arm come through. Hopefully tomorrow I'll get a chance to get more video.

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Nevermind, I think I just need to keep watching these videos, over and over and over.
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Crush the can by shifting into the plant, at this point you should be driving forward but the upper body will have that X-factor wind up to it. This is where SW22 is telling you to keep the arm/elbow wide. You'll have no choice but to have your arm come forward, and if you keep the elbow out you'll end up in that disc-forward position.

Try to let things flow naturally in sequence, rather than force the next step. Every part should set up the next stage.
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Slowplastic, I read your common plateau post again just now and realized one thing. Those two days in the field earlier this summer where I was finally throwing PDs, Destroyers, Terns 350'-380', it felt like my shoulder was doing the throwing and it was amazing. It was certainly a unique feeling. I'm trying to get back to that.
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Ok, got out to the field today with mixed results. On the video I'm still seeing many of the same mistakes I have been making, most notably rounding. Having my arm out from my body feels so weird and unbalanced, but I suppose I must get used to it. That being said, I was getting great distances today. The first throw in the video was a Judge going 285'. The first side shot is a Gstar Teebird and it went 350' laser straight with essentially no fade at the end. Was also getting an Archon and PD out to 350' consistently. I think the only thing I actually changed was putting force on the disc later. I know I'm still opening the shoulders too early. I'm also weirdly leaned back during my runup. I dunno, what do you think? My biggest thing I want to fix next is this rounding issue. Even when actively trying to fix it, it remains....

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