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Old 01-14-2019, 11:29 AM
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New year, new thread. Feeling pretty confident in my bag right now, and figured out somethings about why I hate putters which has led to another revisionist change to a previously used mold. Not all slots are nailed down as of this post, but pretty much down to 2 discs if there is some choice to make.

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Years playing/experience: 13+ years DG
Right/left-handed/ambidextrous: right-handed
Throwing Style: RHBH, some FH
Golf Distance (avg/max*):
Putter: (225/275) Midrange (250/300) Fairway (300/350) Distance (350/400)

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Age: 37
Sex: M
Injuries/handicaps?: L Knee no ACL, severe arthritis
Other sport proficiencies?: Nope
What do you like/dislike about your current bag?:
Simplicity. Easy to make decisions and good discs to make my shots with. Overall comfort level is probably the highest it's been since before my son was born in 2011 and I had a huge amount of free time to practice.

Distance drivers
170 ESP Surge - new, domey. Great flight, pretty much fits my arm speed exactly right now.
174 ESP Surge - new, flatter. Slightly more overstable and less glide than the domey version.
174 Z AvengerSS - Rollers. Not currently in the bag but will be in better weather.
1 of the following to fill the headwind driver slot:
174 SP Hurricane
172 Z Force
Slowing down speeds with the Surge has been one of the better decisions I made about golf in probably the last 5 or so years

Fairway drivers
172 Z Predator - flat as fk. really overstable, flex forehands
174 Z Predator - some dome, some wear. general purpose overstable driver
174 Ti Undertaker - workhorse stable
168 Z undertaker - lighter and more workable, will hold an anhyzer
174 Ti Mantis - woodsy finesse turnover driver
174 BigZ Mantis - beat up and fairly flippy
The Mantis has kind of been in and out of the bag for a bit. It still has its place, needs a little less power to get a good flight than an undertaker, and less room to work left to right.

Midranges
178 Swirly PL Blend Shastashock - Nice and overstable
174 PL Aftershock - stable driving midrange
178 MJ Swirl ESP Comet - Straight finesse midrange
177 X Comet - beat up and used for low power approaches or turning shots that cannot fade out.
Pretty typical lineup except now I'm finding myself rely a little more on the aftershock and putters off the tee and comets for more finesse lines.

Putters
174 MJ Swirl ESP Banger GT - beautifully stable driving putter. stable but not overstable
174 D Banger GT - throwing putter to beat up and make understable
174 D Banger GT (x2) - matching pair of putters, as always
Honorable mention - 174 Z FLX Zone - nice to have for really windy days, but the ESP Banger GT seems to be plenty stable enough even for forehand approaches in normal conditions. I almost never throw a zone BH even when I have one in the bag.

The biggest change is going back to Banger GTs for putting (yes, I ues them years ago - in fact it's the first putter I really was comfortable with, before telling myself I needed to use a traditional putter) The GT isn't really a benefit for my thumb placement, but the bottom of the disc fits perfectly for my putting fan and throwing fan grips. Having that area on the bottom helps me with more consistent releases and getting a little more finger pop on putts. Been putting Bangers and Challengers next to each other for a few weeks now, and I'm noticeably more consistent with bangers where I almost never miss left or right with the benefit of the GT on that disc.
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Old 01-17-2019, 08:01 PM
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Putting with banger gts was a short term infatuation. I'll still use them for throwing but I'll be putting with challengers. For throwing my fan grip still feels just fine on the bangers.

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Old 02-04-2019, 11:26 AM
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The aftershock has been taking more and more work in my midrange slot. Very versatile disc. Right now I'm carrying 3 - a 174 PL, a 179 SP, and a 178 Shastashock. Right along with a comet I'm covering all my needs pretty easily. Also leaning more heavily on my putters off the tee, which is why comets aren't seeing so much work. FYI - Comets will always have a place in my bag, just maybe not a primary midrange these days. In better weather I might throw them more though!
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:07 AM
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Expanding the lineup a little bit to carry a bigger bag. All utility discs included here:

Distance drivers
169 ESP Surge - beat up a bit, will S-turn out of a hyzer or hold a turn for a long time.
173 ESP Surge, Nate Doss 3x - has a little high speed turn under normal conditions. Primary long distance disc
174 ESP Surge - new, flatter. Slightly more overstable for most windy plays
174 Z AvengerSS - beat, Rollers Only. Not currently in the bag but will be in better weather.
172 Z Force - new, headwind driver or when I need to shape a long flex shot

Fairway drivers
172 Z Predator - flat as fk. really overstable, flex forehands
174 Z Predator - some dome, some wear. general purpose overstable driver
169 Z Predator - beat, has a ton of glide while still being fairly stable
174 Ti Undertaker - workhorse stable
168 Z undertaker - lighter and more workable, will hold an anhyzer
174 Ti Mantis - woodsy finesse turnover driver

Midranges
178 Swirly PL Blend Shastashock - new, Nice and overstable
174 PL Aftershock - new, stable driving midrange, a little lighter so helps it hold a turn longer
177 SP Aftershock - worn, standard faire stable midrange
178 MJ Z Comet - new, main turnover midrange, also for finesse lines in the woods.


Putters
174 Z FLX Zone - when I need the beef on approaches or short drives
174 MJ Swirl ESP Banger GT - beautifully stable driving putter. stable but not overstable
174 D Challenger - beat, used for turnover drives and approaches, and longer putting
174 D Challenger (x2) - matching pair of putting only putters.

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Old 02-13-2019, 08:01 AM
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I really like your Aftershock/Comet midrange combo. I'm leaning that way myself for 2019.

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Old 02-19-2019, 01:56 PM
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I really like your Aftershock/Comet midrange combo. I'm leaning that way myself for 2019.
It works really well, but...after having the expanded bag for a short time, I'll be re-condensing molds.

Right now I'm planning to go with wasps, in JB and Z and get a cycle going. I seem to fair better when I have one midrange that I can throw for multiple types of shots. 7 molds still seems to be my sweet spot. Might even ditch the force and go all speed 11 and down.

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1 Force
3 Surges
2 Predators
3 Undertakers
3 Wasps
4 Challengers
1 Ringer GT

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Quick rundown:
1 Force
3 Surges
2 Predators
3 Undertakers
3 Wasps
4 Challengers
1 Ringer GT
Ringer GT instead of Zone? Curious!

And ever tried the machete? I’ve been debating replacing the OS distance (Enforcer) and fairway (Felon) with the Machete. $0.02.

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Old 02-20-2019, 05:00 AM
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very smal diffrences in shape and measurements between the FORCE and SURGE from what i can see, how do you feel they compare in feel and flight?

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Old 02-20-2019, 07:58 AM
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Ringer GT instead of Zone? Curious!

And ever tried the machete? I’ve been debating replacing the OS distance (Enforcer) and fairway (Felon) with the Machete. $0.02.

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Yeah the zone is almost useless to me backhand, I like to have something a bit overstable to compliment challengers and when I carry a zone I almost never throw it. The Ringer GT is a bit straighter, so should be more useful overall, especially since I don't particularly like flexing short forehand approaches (was throwing FH approaches with a banger GT most of the time but wanted a disc that fit in between the zone and banger)

Never thrown a machete. From what I hear it's not really something that I'd need. I'm throwing a predator on 95% of overstable shots anyway, and the Force only comes out for max distance in the wind - but between a slightly overstable surge and a beat up predator, a Force is probably not necessary except on the windiest of days.

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very smal diffrences in shape and measurements between the FORCE and SURGE from what i can see, how do you feel they compare in feel and flight?
It's much easier for me to get the surge up to speed and get a good flight out of it. The Force is quite a bit more overstable and pretty useless to me unless I'm throwing it in the wind.

In terms of feel, the Force feels a lot deeper in the rim to me, or some combination of depth and rim width make it feel a lot larger. I tend to have more nose angle issues with it, especially throwing forehand. The Surge is nice and comfortable, especially if they mold up a bit flatter - the really domey ones are a little awkward in hand to me.
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