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Thought of a question: do you feel your core/muscles resisting that torso momentum forward? Or does most of that get stopped by the forces transferring down into your hip/leg?
The latter. Settle it first. Then core powers it. Check out this re-centering video from the "hips" thread. I think it's applicable. Also goes back to positioning - wiggins fall.

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Old 03-12-2019, 11:53 AM
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Thought of a question: do you feel your core/muscles resisting that torso momentum forward? Or does most of that get stopped by the forces transferring down into your hip/leg?
this video was a response to SlowPlastic, addressing a nearly identical issue.

Not sure on embed with vimeo, but here is my vimeo response:

https://vimeo.com/318297217^^^^^LINK

Also post 710 on his thread: https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=122316 has a video that helped it click (the idea of skiing backwards into a sideways stop).

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Old 03-12-2019, 11:58 AM
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Thanks guys. I'll do some work and get some new video today or tomorrow.
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this video was a response to SlowPlastic, addressing a nearly identical issue.

Not sure on embed with vimeo, but here is my vimeo response:

https://vimeo.com/318297217^^^^^LINK

Also post 710 on his thread: https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=122316 has a video that helped it click (the idea of skiing backwards into a sideways stop).
Here's the video embedded.

This helped me get into a better mindset for how to get onto the front leg. Don't try to stop yourself with the brace...try to land on the brace, stacked on the brace. That backward tilt happens when you have more and more momentum, I think the important thing is that you can always draw a line from foot through spine and head and it all lines up. That line will be vertical in one leg drill, slightly angled in a standstill shot, and more angled with more momentum in an X-step. But you'll always be aligned with the spine/head to leg and the throwing shoulder ahead of the spine.

The brace to me feels more like a momentum redirection and tight rotation axis, don't try to crash into it like a wall stopping you.



https://player.vimeo.com/video/318297217

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The brace to me feels more like a momentum redirection and tight rotation axis, don't try to crash into it like a wall stopping you.
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Old 03-19-2019, 10:22 AM
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Okay. Usually I hesitate to post video of myself while "working" on things because I feel like I'm doing different stuff every throw and it may or may not represent where I'm actually at with my form. I'm just going to get over that because it's probably hindering my progress and I have more questions than ever! Anyways... on with it.

Here is a shot from yesterday where I think I've made some improvements on the brace. As you can see, I'm slightly out of balance in the backswing because of my x-step that was too big. This is something I've recently been working on, so as I'm working on form it definitely sneaks in every once in a while. I was also sort of letting my off arm just dangle behind the throw. Okay, so those are some heavy caveats, but the bracing and power pocket seemed better here. The Teebird3 I threw had a full flight and landed right at ~410 feet.



Now, based on the hip movement video HUB posted, I have some questions. I have been just experimenting in my house and can get into the position you talk about (pictured below). It feels like my spine is aligned to my front foot and my body is almost bent like a loaded bow. When I'm in this position, my left leg definitely has more room to get "under" the rest of my body and my femur pokes out my right side. I haven't done much actual throwing while trying to accentuate this feeling because I'm having trouble understanding how it fits in. Is this another case of the drill being a more extreme version of what really happens?



The image below is a screenshot from the video above at release. This was BEFORE I started experimenting with the move I'm talking about HUB doing above. It looks a lot more like Gibson's release (also below) than it does the hip thrust forward position like HUB. I'm not comparing myself to Gibson in ability, I just see a lot more similarities in the positioning and wonder what to focus on.





So I don't know what I should be trying to do here. I remember a video of Feldberg talking about that same hip thrust and it also never really clicked in my head. Help me understand what I'm missing here. Not trying to say you're wrong AT ALL, HUB, I just don't understand and want to clarify!
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Early backswing ain't helping. Left arm ain't helping. Planting too far closed/staggered ain't helping. You aren't really balanced on your front leg. Your foot is rolling over/jamming like SC demos below with closed stance instead of your foot pivoting cleanly from being balanced on it.


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Yeah in those still shots of you vs. Drew, your head is aligned to your rear leg/femur and Drew's head is moving with his spine in balance, while he is balanced on the plant leg.

I would work with the backswing and X-step too...the out of sequence or early backswing/"reachback" you are doing is going to make it hard to maintain balance, posture, and leverage for the rest of the throw. If you are out of balance before you're even getting to the plant step, it will be even harder to balance on the plant.

The still shot of HUB is definitely an extreme look, but basically it will feel like your head and spine just move smoothly forward and like there is no jerking motion or anything sudden with your head/neck/spine. If you're in balance the spine and head will feel more constant.
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I'm really struggling with how to address this. I don't know what I should be adjusting or feeling to get from where I am to where I should be.

I know HOW to fix the early reach back and balance issues. So maybe I should just get practice in focusing on that so I can move on to the other issues???

I'm missing something fundamental when it comes to the spine and head being balanced on the front leg in the brace. I feel like it should be so simple, but every video I take of myself seems to be the same. Every time I do what I feel like HUB is doing, I feel like my torso is leaned back too far and my disc will launch into the sky.

Frustrating day in the field.

My shoulder/arm is sore today so I might give it a bit of a rest for a couple days. I think I already pushed it further than I should have because I've been so dead set on getting my form right.
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Watching this again:



How do I get into that leaned back/braced against the front side position without throwing into the sky?
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