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Old 07-10-2019, 04:32 AM
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Looks like you're on your way to solidifying your bag.

My only comment: that Valkyrie might be a "windy weather Sidewinder" for you, or you might find some other use for it later that you don't realize now. I use my Valks on the range for practicing to be consistent, so there's always something to do with it...
The Valk I have is rather flippy or I have developped more powerful throw so it seems to flip quite easy. I am not sure if it is about the plastic but it's clearly softer more flexible star than the one I used to have one year ago. I had to rip the old one to get it turn, the current one goes straight (flips-up but finishes straight) with 80% power, that might also be a consistency thing with getting discs up to speed.

The Valk is nice "straight" 9-speed and it has more controlled groundplay than a wide-rim driver that skip a lot. But I wouldn't throw it into a headwind unless I want a to intentionally turn it over.
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The Valk I have is rather flippy or I have developped more powerful throw so it seems to flip quite easy. I am not sure if it is about the plastic but it's clearly softer more flexible star than the one I used to have one year ago. I had to rip the old one to get it turn, the current one goes straight (flips-up but finishes straight) with 80% power, that might also be a consistency thing with getting discs up to speed.

The Valk is nice "straight" 9-speed and it has more controlled groundplay than a wide-rim driver that skip a lot. But I wouldn't throw it into a headwind unless I want a to intentionally turn it over.
I understand about the soft Star plastic. There are a ton of variations in Valks, from plastic to PLHs. i have a 165g Star Valk that flies like a Thunderbird, it is so overstable. And then I have a heavier Valk in Echostar that was less stable, and flew really great turnover shots. Valks are like a box of chocolates, one never knows just quite what one is getting.
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Old 07-10-2019, 05:12 PM
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I understand about the soft Star plastic. There are a ton of variations in Valks, from plastic to PLHs. i have a 165g Star Valk that flies like a Thunderbird, it is so overstable. And then I have a heavier Valk in Echostar that was less stable, and flew really great turnover shots. Valks are like a box of chocolates, one never knows just quite what one is getting.
I can agree that different runs and plastics can vary with how stable they are, but I don't think the Valks I had were much different with the stabilities, maybe with the feel of grip. It's a nice disc for the fact it's going to get nice flight without having to absolutely smash it (mostly not having to rush and clean technique resulting better flight).

It kind of helps to know that you can check for dome and PLH in the store for a certain disc, also the weight. Even though I don't really pay attention to PLH usually. There is probably monster-OS versions of every mold so you just hope for the best when you grab the disc when you buy it. Ironically the discs that were not working right away I threw them have became the best discs when I set myself to actually learn them.
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Old 07-14-2019, 06:45 PM
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Yup I'm probably settling for my current bag right now, as I feel comfy with it.

Tiger Warrior - Putter putter, it's a feel thing for me mostly. I prefer the flat top.

S* P2 175 - straight approach putter with more finish.
G* P2 - straight approuch. The p2's don't get as much use.

Opto Compass 173 - This has become more flippy, it might be a noseup-thing I've had before. The only midrange I need and it's money. Standstill hyzer-approaches and short drives. I might buy a maxweight 180 version or consider a Roc for little bit more OS midrange.

Fairways:

2x C-line FD 175 - More controlled shorter drives that need straighter finish with a hint of a turn, but less used actually.

Star Sidewinder 175 - Turnovers, starts to be rather flippy. This thing goes "far" with hyzerflip, also super straight.

Star Valkyrie - Turnovers that need a bit more carry. Straight shots with toned down power. With max power it starts to have somewhat understable 320f shot with some balancing fade. Also hyzerflip machine.

Champ Savant - More stable fairway which actually has slight turn, but also some fade. Super useful disc and trustworthy.

Champ Firebird - Utility. Special ocasions when I need very OS shot.

Distance..?

S-line DDX 170 - More openfield distance when I have room to turn this disc, but it also finishes straight. Not by any means very flippy so it does not finish right. Also my go-to forehand disc.

Champ Wraith 168 (Flat Very Beatup) - Thrown hard flat it turns slightly but goes very straight closer to 400f maybe. For 320f hyzer this disc is my go-to. Very good control.

Champ Wraith 171 (New pretty flat) - More overstable maybe a headwind driver.

Star Destroyer 175 - OS driver for headwind but rarely used.

Same discs but these work great for me. Maybe for future I might add up extra ones for these molds. I fear losing the wraith or ddx one day so I should get a backup for ddx at least.

Maybe add second midrange to my game that is not really based around midranges, but with my current technique the midrange is more than often the best choice for 200-280f shots. It is just very different to fangrip a midrange.
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Old 07-15-2019, 04:02 AM
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I understand about the soft Star plastic. There are a ton of variations in Valks, from plastic to PLHs. i have a 165g Star Valk that flies like a Thunderbird, it is so overstable. And then I have a heavier Valk in Echostar that was less stable, and flew really great turnover shots. Valks are like a box of chocolates, one never knows just quite what one is getting.
Not Just that but in all Discs the Star Plastic can very from almost G-Star to stiff as Jolly Luancher. I have a recent disc (Shark) as a Backup in Star that on the front of disc I put Almost on top of above the Star then put G- in front of the Star to fully say almost G-Star. Yeah the disc is semi see though when held up to the light like a Big Z plastic. I am sure however That disc weighs the same as the other discs in same weight, around 175 grams.
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Old 07-17-2019, 02:21 PM
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Not Just that but in all Discs the Star Plastic can very from almost G-Star to stiff as Jolly Luancher. I have a recent disc (Shark) as a Backup in Star that on the front of disc I put Almost on top of above the Star then put G- in front of the Star to fully say almost G-Star. Yeah the disc is semi see though when held up to the light like a Big Z plastic. I am sure however That disc weighs the same as the other discs in same weight, around 175 grams.
Yes the Valkyrie I have is more towards G-star, as well as the S-line P2 having some flex to it. It does not really affect much for myself but I can see it becoming an issue for the veterans who end up buying more flexible Ricky-Destroyer for exampIe.
I have S* Sidewinder and Destroyer which are clearly more towards gummy champion. More flexible champions are actually what I prefer. Some champions feel like bricks and I don't like them as much.

Here is some updates:

D-line P1 - I am pulling this once again, I am a super slow loft-putter and this disc works best for my style. I feel being so lost with putting so I only have a reference for the loft-putting with the p1.

Things I am missing:

C* Wraith - Threw into a greek, pink champ not the best color to find from brown water. It was 5e disc so not a huge loss but it was the only wraith I could flip.

S* FD - I guess it's not coming back.

Besides that, I can flip ddx these days so I have to hyzerflip it to give it the ideal flight. I might consider a maxweight champion variation for a more stable DDX.
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Old 07-21-2019, 04:32 PM
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Besides that, I can flip ddx these days so I have to hyzerflip it to give it the ideal flight. I might consider a maxweight champion variation for a more stable DDX.
Now I kinda have to because I managed to lose the ddx I had. I went to european open to buy a new one

175 C-line DDx

Kind of a bummer since I got to throw the thing and it is a monster. It's closer to a PD2 when you look at the wing of it. It's more overstable than my Destroyer, the thing won't have any sort of glide. The PLH is ridoculously high so it's a mutant for sure. Really good in a hand however.

Not what I was looking for but at least I got to watch my favorite players: Nate Sexton, Paul McBeth, Eagle and Simon of course and even finnish players like Jesse Nieminen and Väinö Mäkelä. Very very smooth throws as expected.

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Old 07-23-2019, 12:39 PM
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Now I kinda have to because I managed to lose the ddx I had. I went to european open to buy a new one

175 C-line DDx

Kind of a bummer since I got to throw the thing and it is a monster. It's closer to a PD2 when you look at the wing of it. It's more overstable than my Destroyer, the thing won't have any sort of glide. The PLH is ridoculously high so it's a mutant for sure. Really good in a hand however.

Not what I was looking for but at least I got to watch my favorite players: Nate Sexton, Paul McBeth, Eagle and Simon of course and even finnish players like Jesse Nieminen and Väinö Mäkelä. Very very smooth throws as expected.

Added to that I don't expect having an arm for more stable 11 or 12-speed molds but I can confirm that the DDX does not flip into a mild headwind, but my destroyer does (goes straight). The ddx just dumps in. Agreeing with a Club member who was surprised after testing it, it's a really OS run for being a DDX
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I were at weeklies and I shot decent for my skillgroup. Ended up second after taking stupid bogeys but managed to birdie some easier holes.

What I used:

D-line P1 - Putter

S- P2 - stock run and it's on point for putter drives and approach shots, this is what I used for shorter holes and I got birdie both rounds from them.

Champ Firebird - Just a stock run domey. Short forehand with skips, and short spike hyzers. Really trusty. Not really a driver just an approach disc for me.

C Savant - Not opportunities to throw it much but a trusty forehand aproach disc. Great for backhand!

Star Valk - I would say it's a workhorse for touchy straight shots and hyzerflips, with the combination of a great glide and accuracy it's one of my favorites.

Star Sidewinder - It is starting to feel flippy but really a key disc on some of the holes where you need flippier stuff. also great fpr forehand. I ended up OB and bogied so I didn't really benefit from it this time.

Star Destroyer - There's a 450f hole downhill with common headwind so I grabbed this and it held it, hyzering out. Great disc but went 60f short obviously.

C-line DDX - Same hole to some headwind, it started to hyzer immediately and went shorter than the destroyer. This thing is what I call beefy.

I like to throw maxweight these days, but I am starting to like my bag rn. Working in the midranges to my game. Possible addons:

Dx/KC Pro Roc - Looking for seasoning a roc for hyzerflips.

S-line DDX - I feel like needing something more understable and faster. DDX is also my favorite mold for being very shallow, ideal for forehand.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:34 AM
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It's time for an update. This is my main core for my game:

(2x)D-line P2 175 - Finally invested in these. One is my main putter but I use both for training putting. These feel good inside 25feet.

S-line P2 175 - More stable approach. It's seasoned so it goes straight mostly but for high shots it will hyzer out. Very long lasting and good feeling.

D-line P1 172 - It has worn out for a year and it's understable. Really useful for high shots that drift slightly right. It does not change it's angle after the initial turn so it's really good for hyzer-releases that end up going straight all the way. Also super important in tight woodholes where you need to scramble out right with the disc for a shorter shots. It doesn't feel much different from P2 when throwing so I am not worried about overlap with this disc. Downhill I can get this thing 260f. Also great disc to check for bad-releases during warmup, since it will roll immediately if not thrown properly.

Opto Compass 173 - Still the only midrange I use. It has some stable finish to it, but with harder throw it will turn slightly. Very good for different angles and around 260feet holes. Very neutral but I would not say it's understable.

Star Valkyrie 175 - This has the right stability for my power. I like the way that I don't need to stretch every shot and I can just focus on clean shot. Straight shots and hyzerflips that go straight and hyzer out slightly, or just maxed out anhyzer that finishes somewhat back left.

Champ Savant 175
- It's more stable Valk and I use it in headwind and for hyzering shots. This is the fastest disc I am trying to learn right now. It's limited edition run so it might act like a less stable Thunderbird? I don't know the runs so I can't say if it's more OS than a Star Savant but I can recommend checking it out.

I have played for a one year now and I consider myself still very beginner, but I've got my fairways slowly longer after having a bit better technique for backhand. My forehand is rather smooth but I only get 260feet of distance with a forehand, so I just mainly backhand for teeshots.

My distance for RHBH is about: putters 200/230 mids 260/280 fairways 300/320
I sometimes get past 330f but I can't really repeat it. My fastest disc that I can get to turn is Champ Beast I think, but Wraith is definetly just hyzering out for me. I have benched all the 12-speeds since they are mostly just hyzer/headwind discs for me and I want to learn to throw better. I also want to try a buzzz for a while since people like to throw them apparently. What I also carry if I head up to a big course:

C-line FD 175 - Domey but it's great for straight shots. It's like a Valkyrie but with less turn, less fade. Hyzerflips.

Champ Firebird 175 - Mostly utility. Great for pitching up around tight corners with forehand and playing skipshots around fast ground. I will mostly use it inside 260feet.

Star Sidewinder 175 - It's like a more understable Valkyrie and it has been a very used disc in my bag. It's mostly coming out when I need to finish to the right.

I'm trying to get better scores and focus on simplifying my disc selection. I end up carrying too much discs and I end up being confused about what I should throw. 9-speed discs are what I am most comfortable with, since they all have about same rim width and they all fit my hand very well. I also focus mainly on my putt-practice since it is the weakest part of my game, but I've already had more results after working inside 25f spin-putts.

Keep having fun guys and you can recommend me discs to try or I can describe discs I'm throwing more accurately if you are interested in trying one out
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