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The Rock at Stonewall in Germanton, NC is a par 70 ball golf course that also has permanent disc golf baskets set up for a par 70 disc golf course. It has held a couple of PDGA events.
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:52 AM
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The new No Boundary course in Pittsburgh, (Cranberry Township) PA is a legit Par 71. It hasn’t had a rated round yet, but the pros who have played it have said par will be over 1000 rated.
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Jeez I hope not. I love the diversity of course types and pars and challenge that this sport offers, it's why I don't play 'ball golf' anymore, monotony. I wish there were more longer par 54 courses with crazy tough holes. Todays top pros eat up the par 4s and 5s because most take the challenge off of the tee shot. I think disc golf should make every effort to NOT standardize or follow ball golf......except the money of course.
Traditional Golf can have Variety just that Majority of USA Courses tend to be the boring style that does not allow for as much variety. The Links style courses and the old no longer made this way hill style from United Kingdom have much more verity to the holes using the natural layout of the land as a challenge to contrast the modern flattened out land style golf course or the flat piece of land course. In fact near me 20 miles away there is a 9 hole links course that is tough due to using the natural layout of the land, native grasses to the region or grasses that could survive the area much better without watering in my area.

Disc Golf on the other hand does not need flattened land to make a course or even the grass changed to play the sport, why it is more common to see Disc Golf courses is that for $2,000 with mid priced Championship baskets the course can be made more of them then there are traditional golf places that need the money and land to make a great course.

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Shorewinds blue course at lakeside state park in western NY is a par 71 and plays every bit as challenging as par would indicate. I think these type of courses are great for tournament golf, but for casual, everyday play a fun yet demanding par 3 course is just fine.
I have relatives near there in both Tonwanda and Liverpool/Rochester NY, I might get a chance to play said course in the future if we ever travel to the area.
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Old 08-24-2019, 01:33 PM
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A topic, maybe a bit related?, I considered asking here has to do with earth moving and terra forming for a disc golf course as is done in ball golf.

From a money standpoint I don't see it being practical in disc golf but wonder about the possibilities.

In disc golf we are still very limited to the land as we find it. Some tree clearing or maybe a bit of building up a hill or flatting some ground, but think about ball golf where some of these championship courses are created by completely changing the land itself. Many use natural elements, but then there can still be a lot of work moving creeks, adjusting slopes, bringing in or moving large mature trees. I would love to see what the big name famous course designers could do for disc golf with Par 72 and unlimited construction budget could create.

I think in the mean time pushing much beyond what we currently see would be hard.
I think they did some serious earth moving for this course in Europe (Tampere Disc Golf Center):


On the subject, I think Disc golf should logically evolve into being the best Disc Golf it can be, not necessarily into mimicking ball golf as closely as possible. One must meditate upon the essence of Disc Golf to find these answers.

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Old 08-24-2019, 04:05 PM
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Nice summarization of my thoughts takman. I don't think we should be striving to make changes to be more like golf.
Keep in mind I'm not opposed to par 72 courses, just any 'standardization' (like somehow that's better) than the inconsistent courses we have now.

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I'm not sure if it applies to this but the bear at Highbridge Hills is listed at 71. Chuck would know more about this but all I know is that course was crazy hard. I only played the bear proper once. It was woodland bear before that. That course is nothing like a golf course though.
We just checked maps yesterday and the current Bear layout only has six holes for sure the same as my original design and three more that might be close without seeing them in person yet. So I'm not sure what the par would be on the current layout or perhaps the 71 listed is accurate. It's likely close from what I've heard from players over the years.

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Old 08-25-2019, 10:29 PM
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I believe there was considerable earth moved in construction of Parc des Familles, a John Houck course in a Louisiana cypress swamp.
"Considerable" describes it pretty well. Every inch of every fairway got 6-8" of sand. But none of it was mounding or anything like that -- not this time.

Undulations on the fairway probably have more of an impact in ball golf, since it's more of a ground-based game. But I do think we'll start seeing more earth-moving in the future.

As for par 72, I'm not sure we want courses with only four par threes. Or sport is deeply rooted in par threes, and we have the ability to make so many more interesting par threes. And we can still make good par threes where a driver is a good choice off the tee, which doesn't happen in ball golf.

I think the fewest I've ever done on one course was seven par threes, and I didn't have any desire to go lower than that, even when I could have. FWIW.

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A topic, maybe a bit related?, I considered asking here has to do with earth moving and terra forming for a disc golf course as is done in ball golf.

From a money standpoint I don't see it being practical in disc golf but wonder about the possibilities.

In disc golf we are still very limited to the land as we find it. Some tree clearing or maybe a bit of building up a hill or flatting some ground, but think about ball golf where some of these championship courses are created by completely changing the land itself. Many use natural elements, but then there can still be a lot of work moving creeks, adjusting slopes, bringing in or moving large mature trees. I would love to see what the big name famous course designers could do for disc golf with Par 72 and unlimited construction budget could create.

I think in the mean time pushing much beyond what we currently see would be hard.
The environmental destruction wrought by ball golf offers lessons we shouldn’t want to repeat.

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"Considerable" describes it pretty well. Every inch of every fairway got 6-8" of sand. But none of it was mounding or anything like that -- not this time.

Undulations on the fairway probably have more of an impact in ball golf, since it's more of a ground-based game. But I do think we'll start seeing more earth-moving in the future.

As for par 72, I'm not sure we want courses with only four par threes. Or sport is deeply rooted in par threes, and we have the ability to make so many more interesting par threes. And we can still make good par threes where a driver is a good choice off the tee, which doesn't happen in ball golf.

I think the fewest I've ever done on one course was seven par threes, and I didn't have any desire to go lower than that, even when I could have. FWIW.
The fact that we can make more interesting par threes (I guess you mean more interesting than ball golf) isn't an argument for more pars 3s. We can make more interesting par 4s and 5s as well. The same logic should apply to them.

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