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Old 12-07-2019, 08:58 PM
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I think it will help you to see your throw from different camera angles. While your spine angle or tilt may appear to be right, its fundamentally incorrect relative to your pelvis tilt and leg posture.

Your rear leg is collapsing in your backswing and you are trying to rotate everything horizontally around into your collapsed hip, instead of shifting and posting upright on an extending rear leg inside posture and the rear hip making a targetward turn instead of moving/collapsing behind your ankle and knee.

1st frame, note your legs appear to be collapsed like your posture is sinking into the ground. Note how my legs appear more standing upright and keeping my posture up off the ground.

2nd frame, note your rear hip dropped down and behind your rear ankle/knee, while my rear hip also moved back, but it tilted upward moving against the rear leg like water pushing up against a wall/shifting inside my braced posture which creates proper rotation. So your rear femur is pointed away from target and pelvis is angled \, while mine is pointed targetward and pelvis angled /.

3rd frame, feet are touching down and your pelvis is same angle as backswing, so there is no shift and you have made a huge lateral move like 12" past your address position. Note how my pelvis is 1" or 2" past my address position, so my shift is more compact and centered.

4th frame, you basically mirrored everything in your incorrect backswing except you hyper extend your front knee

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Old 12-07-2019, 09:09 PM
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Tilt your pelvis frown upside down into a smile pendulum your lower body underneath your upper body inside posture.

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Old 12-08-2019, 05:25 PM
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Woah Im still completely wrong after 3 years!

My brain interpreting weird things again like flexing the knees and tilt and all that good stuff.

Thankyou for the photos and annotations they are awesome. I think I will just do a pure standstill to figure the pelvis out. Or would you still advise the one step?

Its like I think I understand what its meant to look like and feel like but Im applying it incorrectly . Hopefully this means when I apply it correctly Ill see results
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Old 12-08-2019, 08:19 PM
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I'm not sure what your arm is trying to do with it finishing so low. Your backswing is swinging around very horizontally instead of vertically.

Start by standing in a neutral stance and forget about throwing a disc, and swing in a vertical plane. Make your arm swing pull your center. Finish high.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu4CzVnITlo#t=5m56s
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Old 12-08-2019, 08:55 PM
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Yeah it is really weird Im
Not trying to make it do that on purpose or anything. It started happening when I really focused on leaving my arm super loose to stop strong arming and let the lower body be the power? Who knows.
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Old 12-09-2019, 12:07 AM
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Yeah it is really weird Im
Not trying to make it do that on purpose or anything. It started happening when I really focused on leaving my arm super loose to stop strong arming and let the lower body be the power? Who knows.
It is not super loose, the arm is definently connected, but feels extremely relaxed. Loose is powerless and disconnected. Do some windmills with your arms and think how you are moving them.

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Old 12-09-2019, 08:04 AM
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It is not super loose, the arm is definently connected, but feels extremely relaxed. Loose is powerless and disconnected. Do some windmills with your arms and think how you are moving them.
That could be the problem right there! Ive been training myself to leave it completely limp until I feel lag, ...but I havent been getting in the right positions/sequence so nothing was working anyway! More practice today turning my pelvic frown upside down haha
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After 3 hours this is where I’m at

https://youtu.be/9AzY0tvv8CU

The only time I feel the weight of the disc is on this swing plane and it looks crazy bad
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:39 PM
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You're starting the swing before you get planted. In the back and forth swinging you were doing, look at where the disc is when your front foot plants. It's basically already at the chest area. You want to still be turning into the plant so you can get more "room" to swing.

Try starting the reachback later in relation to your lower body movements. Try keeping your upper arm angle extremely wide the whole way back like Eric Oakley does or similar to Barry Shultz.

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3 hrs is way overkill man. 20 minutes tops on a drill. You are going to ingrain bad habits even worse.

You are swinging really fast and short, like it's all arm and looks like you are pulling the disc into your body with your arm. There's no heaviness to your arm swing, your arm/body is not being pulled taut by the swing. F=m*a, you are accelerating arm fast but without your mass behind it. A slower swing with all your mass can produce more force - heavy hit. You aren't properly shifting your dynamic balance to either foot.

1. Top of backswing. Note how I've shifted centered on rear foot, arm is being pulled away from target and swinging higher/heavier. Your backswing has no momentum.

2. Heel plant. Note how your front foot is rolled over to outside edge of your foot and body is tipping over and rear foot still flat on ground. Your front shoulder is right at your ankle and your hip behind it, while my front hip is right over ankle and shoulder behind it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Oylh4t8G8#t=2m35s

3. Power zone. Note again your front foot rolled over and rear foot flat on ground and your head is now dropping down and your shoulder is rising up and going to the right. I don't know if you are trying keep the disc on a straight line to target or you are jamming into your front leg and it's pushing your shoulder over, instead of leveraging outward from your shoulder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5xfv9jPqZs#t=8m26s

4. Release. Looks like you are trying keep the disc flat or hold or manipulate an angle instead of maintaining leverage and releasing momentum and not giving a crap about flat or straight.
Note how my front shoulder swung forward over the foot and away from my head, not around behind it. My arm/disc is pulling targetward out of the shoulder socket with shoulders inline, upper arm nearly 180 degrees. Your upper arm is nearly 90 degrees, so your shoulder/s are not being pulled to target by your swing.

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