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So why are there Male(mixed) and female divisions if there is no difference between men and women
No one, including transgenders and supporters, have ever said male and females are the same.

In fact, that's kind of the point of the rigorous medical procedures.
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Do IOC guidelines allow someone to qualify for the olympics before they have transitioned? I missed that if they do.
So someone who is 39 in 2019 should not be able to compete in a 40+ division in 2020 that requires 2019 points from?
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nothing like a buncha dudes discussing women, w/o women commenting. but i do think we (me at least) are trying to put ourselves in the shoes of the competition. is she getting an unfair advantage? as sonic pointed out, growing up with testosterone irreversibly changes the body. is that why she won, maybe, but this game is more about confidence, and the gender change gave her that, so that is the most likely reason she won. good for her. i'm glad she is happy with herself and hope she remains that way.

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So someone who is 39 in 2019 should not be able to compete in a 40+ division in 2020 that requires 2019 points from?
I answered that above. It's not the same person. Isn't that the whole point of the transition? Hans qualified, Laura played. Your analogy is flawed.
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Old 08-01-2019, 04:20 PM
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I answered that above. It's not the same person. Isn't that the whole point of the transition? Hans qualified, Laura played. Your analogy is flawed.
Calling a transgender a different person is honestly disgusting.

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nothing like a buncha dudes discussing women, w/o women commenting. but i do think we (me at least) are trying to put ourselves in the shoes of the competition. is she getting an unfair advantage? as sonic pointed out, growing up with testosterone irreversibly changes the body. is that why she won, maybe, but this game is more about confidence, and the gender change gave her that, so that is the most likely reason she won. good for her. i'm glad she is happy with herself and hope she remains that way.
This is why I posted a direct quote from Laura who says the current PDGA rules are unfair and should be changed. I think she's a better person to ask on this subject than anyone else.
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No one, including transgenders and supporters, have ever said male and females are the same.

In fact, that's kind of the point of the rigorous medical procedures.
Equality of opportunity, any woman can compete in a mens division but no man can compete in a womans division. How is that equality? Am I missing something?

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Old 08-01-2019, 04:52 PM
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I'd like to see you all tell Sarah Hokom and the other FPO women who have been vocal about their opposition to this unfair advantage that they are terrible people as well.

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Laura just got elected to the PDGA BOD. Busy month. Congratulations.

https://www.pdga.com/news/2019-pdga-...tors-announced

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I'd like to see you all tell Sarah Hokom and the other FPO women who have been vocal about their opposition to this unfair advantage that they are terrible people as well.
Can you provide any links to validate this claim?
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