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Old 01-01-2020, 10:36 PM
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I generally don't rate discs based on G* plastic. I find that G* usually has better glide and is more understable than champion or star.

I'm not saying G* isn't good plastic, merely that it doesn't fly like the numbers Innova puts forth. If a regular star Wraith is -1 for high speed turn, a G* Wraith would be at least -2.

As for Trespasses, they're all over the place. Not an overly consistent mold. I've thrown close to 20 of them in all plastics. You get everything from stubbornly beefy to very flippy. The numbers I listed for the Wraith and Trespass would be averages based on throwing quite a few of each disc.

In all honesty, the best Wraith I ever threw was a CFR Augusta from over a decade ago. It has a nice dome and flies something like 11, 5, -2, 2. Its a tiny hair flippy and doesn't have a harsh fade. This was also at a time when the Wraith and Surge were the longest/fastest drivers on the market. To this day I'm not sure I've thrown a better Wraith. Most of them I find to be dumpy late in flight. Harsh late fade that somewhat limits distance.
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Old 01-01-2020, 11:25 PM
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Fair enough. The Star Wraith I have now that's really worn is super domey and was a total beef cake when I first got it. The second Wraith I've had was the first g* I've had. I really liked echo Star so I figured I'd give it a try. I'm still planning on getting another plain Star to start beating in.

The disc I'm turned into right now is actually the gateway journey. It may be taking the spot I was hoping the trespass would fill when I tried it.
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I generally don't rate discs based on G* plastic. I find that G* usually has better glide and is more understable than champion or star.

I'm not saying G* isn't good plastic, merely that it doesn't fly like the numbers Innova puts forth. If a regular star Wraith is -1 for high speed turn, a G* Wraith would be at least -2.

As for Trespasses, they're all over the place. Not an overly consistent mold. I've thrown close to 20 of them in all plastics. You get everything from stubbornly beefy to very flippy. The numbers I listed for the Wraith and Trespass would be averages based on throwing quite a few of each disc.

In all honesty, the best Wraith I ever threw was a CFR Augusta from over a decade ago. It has a nice dome and flies something like 11, 5, -2, 2. Its a tiny hair flippy and doesn't have a harsh fade. This was also at a time when the Wraith and Surge were the longest/fastest drivers on the market. To this day I'm not sure I've thrown a better Wraith. Most of them I find to be dumpy late in flight. Harsh late fade that somewhat limits distance.
Yeah it was in the same year the Destroyer came out but before the Destroyer came out that the Wraith flight numbers changed to a more dumpy disc the way a modern Orc is. Before that the Wraith mold was more usable in the 11, 5, -2, 3 for most discs with the rare one more 11, 5, -2, 2 and like the more OS Valkyrie but not the flat top Star as those Valkyrie have the same flight as a Viking. Basically it was in the 2000's during the time some of the Champion and Star Wraith would end up with the same wing molding mistake the Star and Pro Destroyer ended up with in late 2018 and early 2019. At least that is how the mold flew for some people who could use a Wraith, I could not at the time.
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Old 01-03-2020, 11:21 AM
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Loving my 156g Wraith for my straight drive. . and the 175g for OS shots..BUT

I would love to have a 150-160g disc that flies like my 175g Wraith. . the 175g starts to feel "heavy"
Will a 150g PD2 Work?
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Old 01-03-2020, 11:24 AM
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Loving my 156g Wraith for my straight drive. . and the 175g for OS shots..BUT

I would love to have a 150-160g disc that flies like my 175g Wraith. . the 175g starts to feel "heavy"
Will a 150g PD2 Work?
Try an Archon. Same speed as a Wraith, but a touch mellower. PD2 is pretty overstable.
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Old 01-03-2020, 11:28 AM
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Try an Archon. Same speed as a Wraith, but a touch mellower. PD2 is pretty overstable.
Hard to see that a Archon in the 150g ( if i can find one ) would be as OS as a 175g Wraith. . but i might be wrong
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Old 01-04-2020, 05:06 PM
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How do I throw a wraith for max D? Hard. I would throw it hard.
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How do I throw a wraith for max D? Hard. I would throw it hard.
Haha, agreed

Backhand with an Anhyzer release and some some height if it is Champ or some other kind of new, beefy Wraith.

Neutral release for new Star or Pro.

Slight hyzer release for beat Star, a new or lightly beat Pro (my personal favorites), or new DX.

Wraiths are my go-to distance driver. I feel they are a gorgeous combination of speed, stability, and glide.

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Hard to see that a Archon in the 150g ( if i can find one ) would be as OS as a 175g Wraith. . but i might be wrong
No kidding, my flippier out of the box 168 Star wraith is more OS than either max weight Archon I have thrown.
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