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Old 01-11-2020, 04:38 AM
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So Coda signed with Discraft. He's now their, what, 17th best player. If anyone thinks that this is sustainable, you're wrong. While these guys lower down for Discraft may be benefiting now, you think a few won't be disenchanted with their situation halfway through the season or so? Especially after signing PP. You think Earhart, Hammes, Hannum etc. are going to break the bank being stuck behind PMcB and now PP? Time will tell I guess
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Old 01-11-2020, 09:45 AM
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Well Paige Pierce might help pay for the team too. A few former players that liked her playing style might copy what she does now.

Oh and MJ saving the Comet from a possible demise in the 2010's when he got back on a hot streak for a few NT or PT tournaments.
Hey, I like MJ and all but the Comet wasn't anywhere close to a possible demise anytime in the 2010's. MJ makes for a great Comet spokesperson, but that disc has sold well in Z since it came into full production in '09.

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Old 01-11-2020, 10:15 AM
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So Coda signed with Discraft. He's now their, what, 17th best player. If anyone thinks that this is sustainable, you're wrong. While these guys lower down for Discraft may be benefiting now, you think a few won't be disenchanted with their situation halfway through the season or so? Especially after signing PP. You think Earhart, Hammes, Hannum etc. are going to break the bank being stuck behind PMcB and now PP? Time will tell I guess
Until the terms of player contracts are known, we’ll never know. Is being 17th on Discraft or Innova worse than being 4th on Westside? I’m not saying he was 4th; just eyeballing a comparison.

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Old 01-11-2020, 10:35 AM
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So Coda signed with Discraft. He's now their, what, 17th best player. If anyone thinks that this is sustainable, you're wrong. While these guys lower down for Discraft may be benefiting now, you think a few won't be disenchanted with their situation halfway through the season or so? Especially after signing PP. You think Earhart, Hammes, Hannum etc. are going to break the bank being stuck behind PMcB and now PP? Time will tell I guess
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Until the terms of player contracts are known, we’ll never know. Is being 17th on Discraft or Innova worse than being 4th on Westside? I’m not saying he was 4th; just eyeballing a comparison.
Unless some other company comes in a pushes up compensation for the lower-tier guys I would think the bigger thing would be Discraft deciding they overextended with too large of a team and dropping a bunch of these guys when the deals expire down to a more manageable team size. Then it becomes the question of if anyone would be willing to pick them up, or if you would just see a reduction in the number of sponsored players.

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Old 01-11-2020, 11:31 AM
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Unless some other company comes in a pushes up compensation for the lower-tier guys I would think the bigger thing would be Discraft deciding they overextended with too large of a team and dropping a bunch of these guys when the deals expire down to a more manageable team size. Then it becomes the question of if anyone would be willing to pick them up, or if you would just see a reduction in the number of sponsored players.
The question of how large a number of players can be sponsored at a “touring” level remains to be seen, especially given the possibility of a manufacturer (say, DD) emphasizing other approaches other than pro sponsorship as the central, default approach for catching eyeballs.

That pro golfers are individual contractors likely doesn’t help those players on the sponsorship fringe. Will we seeing a shrinking of sponsorship from what appeared to be a focus on breadth (quantity of players) to depth (quality of players)?
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Old 01-11-2020, 07:32 PM
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Unless some other company comes in a pushes up compensation for the lower-tier guys I would think the bigger thing would be Discraft deciding they overextended with too large of a team and dropping a bunch of these guys when the deals expire down to a more manageable team size. Then it becomes the question of if anyone would be willing to pick them up, or if you would just see a reduction in the number of sponsored players.
Then See some players going Back to the Swedish made trilogy of disc, but more then likely not Dynamic Disc, possibly Westside Disc or Latitude 64.
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Old 01-11-2020, 11:24 PM
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Weren't folks saying how Discraft had peaked, was spinning the bowl, etc. just over a year or two ago? Then they weren't.

I said it before and will say it again, almost all the folks I throw with couldn't give a rat's ass about pro disc golf or who sponsors who.

This community is made up of DG nerds(like myself) who pay close attention to such matters. Perceived decline here must be taken with a large grain of salt in the ocean of people who dabble in disc golf.

If these boards were exemplary of the overall DG community, then MVP and Axiom would be #1.

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Old 01-13-2020, 04:43 PM
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DD does not have a Paul. Not even close. It was a solid business decision FOR DD, your manufacturer's mileage may vary.
But that isn't what you said. You think DD doesn't want top level pros throwing and promoting their discs? Obviously they do. There must be another reason they aren't sponsoring any big names anymore.

I always hear the same argument that the number of competitive players is relatively small compared to the number or rec and casual players. Even if we assume that is true in disc golf, which I'm not sure it is, I still think competitive players are the ones constantly plunking down dollars for multiples of new discs the moment they are released.

Casual players? Well, most of them are still throwing the same handful of discs they threw a couple years ago. Sure, definitely not all. Most.

Paul McBeth has been profitable for both of his manufacturers. He's two for two. You think DD doesn't want a piece of that? They just don't have the cash to pay. Literally the only explanation. There is no precedent that says sponsoring players and/or tourneys has little to no ROI, as you said.

DD is probably not seeing the profit they were a couple of years ago, and they are probably doing some experimenting to see how big a hit they will take by not sponsoring a competitive player anymore. Maybe they are betting their core fan base will carry them through a season or two while they restructure a little bit and tighten up their lineup.

One thing you can't say is that sponsoring big name players has no return on investment.
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One thing you can't say is that sponsoring big name players has no return on investment.
The question is what defines big and the cost of competing to secure contracts with the big players.
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Maybe DD is going to follow Discrafts model; do nothing much for a few years, save up some money any then buy a few pros.
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