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Old 10-11-2019, 07:51 PM
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Default Ideal Par for an 18 hole course?

Hey all I just had a little question that came to my mind after catching up with the east coast tour swing. If you were designing an 18 hole course assuming a mix of open and wooded holes and space was not an issue, what would you like to see as par (overall 54, 60, 65 etc.)? Does this change if you are designing a course for fun vs a championship-style tournament course? I'm curious because in my area of Colorado it feels like there is only one way to design a course and it's still all par 3s and on occasion a par 4. I was watching Deleware and I was super stoked to see par that high. When designing a course, is this a thought or does it just kind of happen as you survey and understand the land you are working with? Just curious thanks for the input!
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Old 10-12-2019, 11:03 AM
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Not a designer but have only played a few legit par 5s that have been something other than 1000 foot field shots. Seems like you need unique land for a real par 5, enough woods and elevation to make landing zones and placement shots more important than distance. To be truly special like the Delaware course, you also have to avoid gimmicky ways to increase difficulty like too many mandos/artificial OB.

Seems like there should be more places that have this capability, but it’s rare for the average golfer to play courses like iron hill. Might also be that the average person prefers shorter holes, not sure.
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Old 10-12-2019, 11:17 AM
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No one right answer. There should be courses that are par 54 and par 60 and par higher, to suit the range of players and desires.

The little bit of course design I've done, was looking at the best use of the land and the best holes, regardless of pars.

If I had the pick of the land, too, I'd hope for a par in the low 60s---a mix of reachable holes and multi-long-shot holes.

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Old 10-12-2019, 11:28 AM
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Old 10-12-2019, 01:51 PM
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The little bit of course design I've done, was looking at the best use of the land and the best holes, regardless of pars.
Quoted for truth. Let the land define the course.
Our sport isnt to the point of ball golf where it is financially viable to completely change the landscape for a course. We have to best utilize what we are presented.

That being said, in my mind at least one par 5 and at least a couple par 4s (or more) would be ideal...but not if the land doesnt present itself in a way to make that the best option.

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Old 10-12-2019, 02:54 PM
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Depends on the land you have and the other courses in your area. Iron Hill probably doesn't exist without having 5 courses in the area that are SSA 50 and below.
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Old 10-12-2019, 10:15 PM
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69 heh

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Old 10-12-2019, 11:27 PM
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The correct answer is 63 (1x2, 9x3, 6x4, 2x5). Other mixes near this set are almost as good.

However, the par needs to be set correctly for the skill level targeted.

Also, hitting the correct total par is way down on the list of priorities for things a good design should do.
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:48 AM
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Expand more on the 63 please
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He just posted so he could throw that Par 2 in there.

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