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Old 07-22-2020, 08:02 AM
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I just did a quick google search:

Golf invented in the 15th century
Baseball invented 1839.
Basketball invented in 1891.
Football invented in 1920.
Disc Golf invented 1976.

I’m not saying we’ll ever be as big as any of these sports, but we are a lot younger than the ones we’re comparing ourselves to. Maybe we’re doing just fine, and in 50 years there will be hundreds or thousands of pros that can make a living playing disc golf.
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Old 07-22-2020, 08:11 AM
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22 Years (27 and counting) Later..still not mainstream?
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=117487

One of the problems with the sport for decades imop is the PDGA trying to keep the AMs and PROs under one umbrella. The pros should dissolve their relationship with the PDGA. Let the PDGA continue to focus on AMs and growing the recreational side of the sport. So now everyone who "doesn't want the sport to grow", "doesn't care about it getting on ESPN", "doesn't want any of their membership fees going towards the pros", well...all those issues go away.

At first I wasn't on board with the idea of the DGPT being the home for pro disc golf, but they've come a long way so wth......they need to set up their own rating system, membership fees, sanctioned tournament structure and run with it. Would probably be much easier for a big sponsor to deal with the streamlined DGPT compared to the PDGA anyway due to the DGPT just focusing on pro$.
How does the PDGA currently prevent a big sponsor from supporting the DGPT?

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Old 07-22-2020, 08:26 AM
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22 Years (27 and counting) Later..still not mainstream?
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=117487

One of the problems with the sport for decades imop is the PDGA trying to keep the AMs and PROs under one umbrella. The pros should dissolve their relationship with the PDGA. Let the PDGA continue to focus on AMs and growing the recreational side of the sport. So now everyone who "doesn't want the sport to grow", "doesn't care about it getting on ESPN", "doesn't want any of their membership fees going towards the pros", well...all those issues go away.

At first I wasn't on board with the idea of the DGPT being the home for pro disc golf, but they've come a long way so wth......they need to set up their own rating system, membership fees, sanctioned tournament structure and run with it. Would probably be much easier for a big sponsor to deal with the streamlined DGPT compared to the PDGA anyway due to the DGPT just focusing on pro$.
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Wasn't this one of the American Disc Golf Tour's platforms?

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Ease of dealing with the organization is way down the list of factors. Way below lack of eyeballs---there has been no evidence that anybody wants to watch disc golf, not non-disc-golfers in significant numbers, and no reason for someone to gamble their money in hopes that they can make it happen.
I agree with David here. IF this is an issue....it is WAY down the list of potential issues. The vast majority of pro players would not benefit from the described action by Nifty, only a few handful of touring pros.
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Old 07-22-2020, 08:28 AM
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I like how we compare the coverage of DG to sports that have been around for literally generations. Baseball, football and golf have been around since (or before) the 1900's. Each have had over 100 years to gain a foothold in culture whereas DG has been around - kinda - since 1976?

(Edit: Dangit Audible you beat me to it lol)

Wanna grow the sport? How about instead of wringing our hands over how little coverage we get how about we focus on making the quality of our sport overall better. Increase the quality --> more participation --> more coverage.


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I just did a quick google search:

Golf invented in the 15th century
Baseball invented 1839.
Basketball invented in 1891.
Football invented in 1920.
Disc Golf invented 1976.

I’m not saying we’ll ever be as big as any of these sports, but we are a lot younger than the ones we’re comparing ourselves to. Maybe we’re doing just fine, and in 50 years there will be hundreds or thousands of pros that can make a living playing disc golf.
If you talk with the REAL old-timers (80+ y.o.), I think you'll realize that disc golf was 'invented' quite a bit before 1976 (although I get the point you're trying to make).
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I have yet to see a disc golf advertisement on TV, not for discs or educational/promotional. That is how you grow the sport. You don't modify all the challenges that make it great and equitable. No one will want to watch the same handful of players crush the field week in and week out on boring, unchallenging courses. Not to mention these courses are often less picturesque.

We see Paige dominate an FPO field on open courses, but we see her challenged when it comes to hitting technical lines and/or setting up approaches. See the Preserve vs Silver Cup. And you can film in the woods, I see it being done now.

Advertising costs according to legalzoom for cable television: "Prime time spots on network television that may cost $2,000 to $3,000 per spot usually cost around $175 on cable. For a 30-second spot in a suburban area, advertisers may only spend $25 per spot on channels like CNN and ESPN, $20 for Nickelodeon and TNN, and $15 for channels such as VH-1."

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Old 07-22-2020, 10:03 AM
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If you talk with the REAL old-timers (80+ y.o.), I think you'll realize that disc golf was 'invented' quite a bit before 1976 (although I get the point you're trying to make).
I’m sure that’s true for every sport. I don’t imagine someone created an organization and detailed set of rules for a game nobody has ever played.
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Old 07-22-2020, 10:24 AM
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While I have nothing against the concept of more pros being able to make a living in this sport, I agree with the general thought that before the tip of the pyramid can bring in the big bucks, the foundation or base much get much much larger. The path to a few hundred top players making a true living at disc golf as a sport rests solely in the ability to grow disc golf as a game. I believe all our focus should be on the latter, not the former.

Growing the game of disc golf will benefit everyone, including the 99% of individuals, who will never have any aspirations of changing careers.
Growing the game of disc golf should include addressing the lack of diversity at present. I am biased, but I truly believe that most people, regardless of gender, skin color, national origin, or anything else, would get hooked on the game of disc golf were they to play a round with an appropriate disc(s) at a course suitable to their beginning skill level.
Growing the game of disc golf should also focus on getting every more elementary schools involved.
Growing the game of disc golf could include traveling clubs, like the Ryder Cup in bolf, just at a lower level. Having 10 players from town or neighborhood A go up against town B could be fun, and a potential way to draw in some local sponsorship money anyway. Or have local schools form teams. They have teams for everything else. Go past your local high school baseball field--look at the outfield walls. See all the advertisers? That sort of thing. If you can get schools competing against each other, the rest will take care of itself.

I will never win one single dollar at disc golf. Most who play are in the same boat. But we minions are eventually where each dollar that Paul or Ricky or Eagle wins starts out at. We purchase the discs that innova and discraft produce, which they then turn around and give to top players as their sponsors. I have probably never shot a round over 950 in my life. But I have spent probably close to a thousand bucks on products just in the last couple years. We minions would also buy any products that a larger corporate sponsor would sell, and in turn then have to money to pay top players.

So you want to grow this sport? Grow it for me. I am disc golf.

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This thread seems to be traveling down the path of almost all "grow the sport" threads. There is a prevailing belief that if given exposure, the game will soar. This discounts some realities, IMO. The game is not that compelling, interesting or difficult. These things might enhance grass root growth, but not big time, mainstream viewership. Disc golf is a tiny, fringe sport, wallowing in the midst of hundreds and hundreds of other participation games, that really offer little for the mainstream public to be interested in.

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How does the PDGA currently prevent a big sponsor from supporting the DGPT?
I never said the PDGA prevented a big sponsor from supporting the DGPT.
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