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0k.. did the gif capture every frame of the throw? Are you saying in my attached photo there is zero wrist bend?
Did you even watch the gif? It is right there, showing the throw from stride to follow through. It provides a complete picture of what happens going into and out of the moment captured in your attached photo.

The only wrist bend in your photo is the bend down to keep the nose down. The wrist is not coiled.
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Old 09-14-2020, 08:19 PM
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Actively is the perfect word to discuss this. I think she has no idea she is doing it and I think it's exactly what you said earlier.. "It's called lag/inertia - which bends the wrist back as you accelerate the arm."

Some pros exaggerate this dramatically. After dinner I will post more examples.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rmXPRieAy8#t=8m55s
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Actively is the perfect word to discuss this. I think she has no idea she is doing it and I think it's exactly what you said earlier.. "It's called lag/inertia - which bends the wrist back as you accelerate the arm."

Some pros exaggerate this dramatically. After dinner I will post more examples.
If he were curling his wrist, you wouldn't be able to see his knuckles:



He and Sexton talk about it at 3:17 here: https://youtu.be/U0gzNIRxRbY?t=3m17s

Furthermore, if there are other big form issues to fix, then talking about the wrist curl is majoring in the minors. If whatever wrist bend is necessary will happen naturally with good form without actively thinking about it, then fix the form issues that lead to that. Don't get caught up prematurely in the wrist.
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Old 09-14-2020, 09:29 PM
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Remember I said when to bend the wrist was important. If you reach back and prematurely curl the wrist you're doing it wrong obviously. (Probably leads to rounding?) The pros bend their wrist (cock, curl, whatever) right before ejecting the disc out of their hands. It's completely obvious this happens. But...like I said...certain players definitely exaggerate it. Simon's bud (Casey?) in all his videos has an extreme wrist bend that just baffles me.
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Old 09-14-2020, 09:43 PM
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#$%^ There's a video floating around somewhere, where the pros are talking about distance, I think it's right before teeing off in some event. Anyway..they discuss bending the wrist, Catrina is new to the idea and says something like "I already throw pretty far" lol.. trying to find it...
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Remember I said when to bend the wrist was important. If you reach back and prematurely curl the wrist you're doing it wrong obviously. (Probably leads to rounding?) The pros bend their wrist (cock, curl, whatever) right before ejecting the disc out of their hands. It's completely obvious this happens. But...like I said...certain players definitely exaggerate it. Simon's bud (Casey?) in all his videos has an extreme wrist bend that just baffles me.
The when doesn't really matter if the shoulder is collapsed, because the where can't happen.

Wrist flexibility varies between everyone. Different grips also change the amount of flexibility. Fan grips keep the wrist straighter, while power grips and 2 finger grips allow the wrist to flex more.

IMO the less the wrist bends, the better it is for tendon/ligament health to not get put into maximum range of motion. The wrist doesn't really generate force, it transfers force from the body to the disc. A tighter spring can load and unload more force. Force also dissipates over distance, so it is more efficient over shorter travel.

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Nice to see a discussion in the thread.

I think about having my hand on the outside of the disc. Previously, I had an extreme curl from the reach back, but after watching Sextons clinic a while ago linked to above, I stopped doing that.

Question about hugging myself: to counter this, should I reach back with my arm more to the side? Been working on it, but it may not be good enough yet. For me, it seems counterintuitive to be able to keep the elbow joint above 90 degrees when I have to shift the weight to the front foot leading with my shoulder, while the arm should be lagged behind. But can this be fixed with a wider reach back or is it something else?

And to counter the high shoulder, I believe I just have to practice and counsiously have it relaxed? I can really feel the lats muscles firing when my shoulder is low. I have to miss a lot of power by having it high in the throw. But I think that I unconsciously lift my shoulder to lift the elbow during the swing. Many people would probaly lift their shoulder if you tell them to lift the elbow. I really had no idea I did this before recently.

DiscFifty: Cool that you think I should be able to throw further with my form. Maybe it's a sign of an upcoming breakthrough. Shifting my weight before the swing have fixed a lot of how my throw looks. But maybe this breakthrough is haltered by the shoulder and the hugging.
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More about the elbow that I did not manage to edit in due to the 5 min thing:

Look at this video of Feldberg demonstrating how to shift the weight to the front foot, the guys arm is tucked to his chest and it is clearly not above 90 degrees: https://youtu.be/3sxw8ix0CYs?t=1655 . This have to be wrong? So he should be reaching back more to the side?
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Got to turn your rear leg back out and glide behind unimpeded, instead of stepping pigeon toed and crossing yourself up and restricting your backswing.



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More about the elbow that I did not manage to edit in due to the 5 min thing:

Look at this video of Feldberg demonstrating how to shift the weight to the front foot, the guys arm is tucked to his chest and it is clearly not above 90 degrees: https://youtu.be/3sxw8ix0CYs?t=1655 . This have to be wrong? So he should be reaching back more to the side?
Bad demo. The guy's whole front side ground up is open, so he would have to "reach out" more to the left, or turn his whole front side further back.
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