The Twitch of the Hips

[sidewinder22]

Originally Posted by RoDeO

Yep, they are opening their hips as they pull the disc into their power pocket. I think its a case again of a pro giving information about how they think a person should throw but yet the best don't really throw that way.

BTW, you dont throw like either of those guys. Nothing wrong with that, just saying...

You throw like them?

[RoDeO]

Originally Posted by sidewinder22

You throw like them?

No, I actually throw more like you.

[sidewinder22]

"I'm gonna rock the hips back, and whip the hips forward timed with the arm."
"You can see I had pretty fast motion whenever I came back to forward and the hips came thru really fast."

[twistedraven]

Originally Posted by RoDeO

Another thing I'm noticing is that it appears almost counterintuitive to our philosophy but the acceleration of the disc begins at reachback and not at the power pocket.

Not really. All you're really doing is guiding the disc into the power pocket to really accelerate it once in the pocket. You're not accelerating it as hard as you can from the peak of the reachback, because your arm will already be tense and tired and not loose enough to give it the most amount velocity at the release point.

Here's my crude drawing comparing the two:

[RoDeO]

Originally Posted by twistedraven

Not really. All you're really doing is guiding the disc into the power pocket to really accelerate it once in the pocket. You're not accelerating it as hard as you can from the peak of the reachback, because your arm will already be tense and tired and not loose enough to give it the most amount velocity at the release point.

Here's my crude drawing comparing the two:

Aye.

[RandyC]

So every professional player says do not spin the hips. Everyone here who throws far says do not spin the hips. You are lacking in distance and say that spinning the hips is the key and your only argument behind this theory is that people who throw far are actually completely unaware what their bodies are doing. I mean wouldnt there be atleast one who would know the difference?

[RoDeO]

Originally Posted by RandyC

So every professional player says do not spin the hips. Everyone here who throws far says do not spin the hips. You are lacking in distance and say that spinning the hips is the key and your only argument behind this theory is that people who throw far are actually completely unaware what their bodies are doing. I mean wouldnt there be atleast one who would know the difference?

You have to rotate the hips to throw the disc. Every professional rotates their hips in throwing the disc. That's not an area of debate. The area of debate is when you begin to rotate the hips. You are arguing against Paul and Nate if you say not to rotate the hips or that the power to throw doesn't come from the legs up which include the rotation of the hips.

Now, as to my lacking in distance- let me ask this- how far should a 47 year old who started 3 months ago be throwing? If you are making that claim of my lacking distance in relation to when I started and my age then please show me what someone my age who started 3 months ago should be throwing.

[ru4por]

Originally Posted by RoDeO

You have to rotate the hips to throw the disc. Every professional rotates their hips in throwing the disc. That's not an area of debate. The area of debate is when you begin to rotate the hips. You are arguing against Paul and Nate if you say not to rotate the hips or that the power to throw doesn't come from the legs up which include the rotation of the hips.

Now, as to my lacking in distance- let me ask this- how far should a 47 year old who started 3 months ago be throwing? If you are making that claim of my lacking distance in relation to when I started and my age then please show me what someone my age who started 3 months ago should be throwing.

I feel this is part of the noob trap. Really many things that can be seen in the throws of McBeth, KJ, Heimberg....don't really translate to the noob or rec player. Don't get me wrong, there are always a set of mechanics....SW is very good at providing information for use along this lines. But, professional, high level, disc golfers have different goals and play different courses.

I cannot tell you how many times I "discovered" more distance in a flex line. Only to learn something new that translated into more distance, but I then move back to a hyzer line to learn and use it. Lo and behold, back to the turnover flex....only to learn to stop rounding....

Each plateau seem like I had it ALL figured out. But, really I was very slowly teaching myself basic mechanics to build on. Building a foundation for years of safe play. The drills and videos, many post here, are designed to build that foundation. They do not translate in to the ability to throw a putter 500 ft. They are not designed to retro fit your noob form to mimic the Conrad run up, KJ putt.

[RoDeO]

Originally Posted by ru4por

I feel this is part of the noob trap. Really many things that can be seen in the throws of McBeth, KJ, Heimberg....don't really translate to the noob or rec player. Don't get me wrong, there are always a set of mechanics....SW is very good at providing information for use along this lines. But, professional, high level, disc golfers have different goals and play different courses.

I cannot tell you how many times I "discovered" more distance in a flex line. Only to learn something new that translated into more distance, but I then move back to a hyzer line to learn and use it. Lo and behold, back to the turnover flex....only to learn to stop rounding....

Each plateau seem like I had it ALL figured out. But, really I was very slowly teaching myself basic mechanics to build on. Building a foundation for years of safe play. The drills and videos, many post here, are designed to build that foundation. They do not translate in to the ability to throw a putter 500 ft. They are not designed to retro fit your noob form to mimic the Conrad run up, KJ putt.

Not sure what you mean by the noob trap. I don't see myself in a trap. I feel like the number 1 thing right now for more distance in myself is conditioning muscles to fire better and faster. The mechanic tweaks will add a little bit more. Understanding how the disc is propelled is 90% of the mystery. I feel I know that. Now, getting consistency and building upon that foundation is all that's left.

[RandyC]

Originally Posted by RoDeO

You have to rotate the hips to throw the disc. Every professional rotates their hips in throwing the disc. That's not an area of debate. The area of debate is when you begin to rotate the hips. You are arguing against Paul and Nate if you say not to rotate the hips or that the power to throw doesn't come from the legs up which include the rotation of the hips.

Now, as to my lacking in distance- let me ask this- how far should a 47 year old who started 3 months ago be throwing? If you are making that claim of my lacking distance in relation to when I started and my age then please show me what someone my age who started 3 months ago should be throwing.

Should have probably worded that better not lack of distance but knowledge. Yes hips do rotate but do you consciously rotate them is a different animal. Just a thought process here if you were on a snowboard the way you are describing the throw and the hip action would essentially be the start of a 360. Spinning the rear hip would send your left side around the front side and it´s not very efficent way to throw. I imagine if I were to throw whilst on a snowboard it would push the nose of the board down and lift the rear end.