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No offense..but if you've been playing the game 15 years and you're still not regularly playing under par, winning some events, etc, then quite frankly...you've learned the game wrong. Seriously...forget what anyone says here and hire a local pro for some lessons and get your game up to spec. If you're not willing to do that.....then...forget about the competitive side and just go throw some plastic and enjoy the health benefits.
Bull.

I know players that have been at it for 25+ years that can't get their rating appreciably above 800 or play "under par" (subjective criteria to be sure) to save their life. Doesn't mean they've done anything wrong or that lessons will make much difference. Their ceiling is simply not as high as some others.

They still play 20+ tourneys a year and enjoy the hell out of it.
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:07 PM
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Bull.

I know players that have been at it for 25+ years that can't get their rating appreciably above 800 or play "under par" (subjective criteria to be sure) to save their life. Doesn't mean they've done anything wrong or that lessons will make much difference. Their ceiling is simply not as high as some others.

They still play 20+ tourneys a year and enjoy the hell out of it.
I dunno...it's not hard to throw 250', which means that someone should then be able to throw 200' on any line and with some accuracy. 250+200=450' on two shots. So then even take it down to getting easily within the circle on any sub 350' hole. It's really not hard to play par golf on city courses if your mindset is to play par golf rather than throw as hard as you can and then continue to try the difficult shots to "save it" after a bad tree kick.

I get that not everyone wants to put in the time to learn to throw 350+, but it's still really easy to get 3's on 350' holes.
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:22 PM
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I dunno...it's not hard to throw 250', which means that someone should then be able to throw 200' on any line and with some accuracy. 250+200=450' on two shots. So then even take it down to getting easily within the circle on any sub 350' hole. It's really not hard to play par golf on city courses if your mindset is to play par golf rather than throw as hard as you can and then continue to try the difficult shots to "save it" after a bad tree kick.

I get that not everyone wants to put in the time to learn to throw 350+, but it's still really easy to get 3's on 350' holes.
Not saying it is hard to shoot par, but par is subjective and course dependent and not necessarily the best generic barometer of how good a player is. And my main objection is the notion that playing X number of years means that a player should be able to do certain things like win tournaments or throw low scores. There is a point where age and injury or even just body type can diminish one's ability to reach and/or maintain certain skill milestones. Doesn't mean the player is doing anything incorrectly or that they should quit competing as a result.

200-250 feet with accuracy is a higher bar for some than you make it out to be. And an inability to be able to do that is not necessarily an indication of a lack of trying.
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Old 08-10-2018, 04:01 PM
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200-250 feet with accuracy is a higher bar for some than you make it out to be. And an inability to be able to do that is not necessarily an indication of a lack of trying.
This is the part that is hard to understand or compare. I only know what it's been like for me. Not too hard after focus/practice, and I definitely feel like I've messed up if I miss those shots.
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Old 08-10-2018, 04:20 PM
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This is the part that is hard to understand or compare. I only know what it's been like for me. Not too hard after focus/practice, and I definitely feel like I've messed up if I miss those shots.
Change 200-250 to 400-450 or 500-550. If you can do it, of course it feels like something anyone should be able to do with a little practice. That's not really the case for everyone, though.
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Old 08-10-2018, 04:53 PM
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1. Read the SW22 book.
2. Playing with a group of DG'ers is something you cannot duplicate.
You can't play solo every round and then show up at a tourney and expect to score well.
3. Decide what you want. Do you want to play well and enjoy scoring well compared to others? If so, you have to out-work them. Here's the perfect book: Disc Golf is Not a Game of Magic. There is no magic formula. If you want to best them, out-work them.
4. If you're having fun just playing solo, no work required. Just don't expect to score better than others who may be working hard at their game.

Not trying to flame anyone.
I am kinda where you are, and my approach has been (is) to work at my game. Is it the right choice? For me--positively yes.
My hope is that you will find fun and enjoy this game--whichever path you choose.

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Old 08-10-2018, 04:54 PM
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They still play 20+ tourneys a year and enjoy the hell out of it.
I'm not saying he can't have fun and enjoy the hell out of the sport....my point was if he is concerned "truly" about winning or losing...then yes I stand by my point that after 15 years and he can't shoot under par (yes..this is subjective I get that..) and losing all the time, then yes he has been doing it wrong for a very...long....time. It could be a simple fix, it could be he's doing something very wrong causing accuracy problems, maybe he simply can't putt, hell I don't know...I think my advice to get a pro right away and nail down the issues is a rock solid suggestion for anyone in this situation. I think that is more sound advice than everyone telling him this or that, or suggesting countless vids, etc, etc. You have to at least understand what the core problem is and an in person lesson from a pro would be the quickest and most reliable place to start imop.

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There is a point where age and injury or even just body type can diminish one's ability to reach and/or maintain certain skill milestones. Doesn't mean the player is doing anything incorrectly or that they should quit competing as a result.
C'mon...he didn't mention any of that and if he did I wouldn't have responded like I did. I started the game seriously at 50 years old, 500lbs, bad knees. 5 years later I can stand still 280-300ft all day long. It's not that difficult if you get the right training and put in the time. I took lessons early on from a pro and he dialed in some obvious things I was doing wrong. The biggest thing to comprehend was weight shift, that by itself is a hell of a thing to understand but when you see someone doing it in person, in slow motion, it can click alot sooner.

I meant no-disrespect to the op, but I thought it was important to be honest and perhaps steer him in the right direction to get some lessons asap if he is truly concerned. We all know and have seen peeps playing the game for a long time that still have oat, torques overstable drivers, etc, etc, and it always is a surprise to find out how long they have been playing. There is no doubt they never took lessons, never knew or cared to correct their form, etc, etc. In my division...I play with guys that have been playing for 20-30 years that like you said...are barely above 800, can't drive 250-300ft to save their life. But when you see them drive...it's obvious why. Still amazes me every time to see a player like that. Hell..just telling them to replace that Nuke OS with a lighter Nuke SS would probably add 50-80ft for most of them.
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Old 08-10-2018, 05:23 PM
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Before we try to break down and analyze the guy's technique and form and practice habits sight-unseen, perhaps simply looking at what he actually said and responding to that is the best way to go.

Yes, he says he wants to compete and maybe win. He also says that he's playing Intermediate and finishing last a lot. Seems to me that the simplest fix, without changing anything or making assumptions about him or the way he plays the game, is for him to get out of Intermediate and into a division he can be more competitive in (Rec, Novice, Masters if he's of age).

If after that, he wants to improve himself and get better and move up, then by all means advise away about adjusting techniques and practicing more and all that. But from his description, he has skills but he can't put them together in competition. Seems more mental than physical and could be helped by removing some of the pressure to shoot perfect in Intermediate, and moving down to Rec where he can perhaps get his competitive sea legs and put together some solid competitive rounds to figure out what that feels like.

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Old 08-10-2018, 07:08 PM
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Ok, so clearing a few things up.

Ive been playin for 15 years, but due to a major health scare I am pretty much relearning as of 2 years ago. Im in pretty good health now. 2 years ago I got acute necrotizing pancraetitis, 3 day coma, 4 months in ICU, fall risk, lost 75lbs, had to relearn to walk and blah blah blah. Been through this somewhere else on here but figured Id mention that again.

Currently driving around 300-350 avg with decent control. This is with a philo destroyer, if I use my old beat 165g DX banshee i can get it to around 400 but not very accurately so dont use that shot in rounds.

Ive gone long streaks close to par. +1-3 for about a month solid, but lately thats fallen off. Ive gone from driving 200 at the start of 2017 to my current 350 now, so Im constantly finding new trouble, so I havent really been a rut of the same round over and over syndrome, but pretty much always finding a new way to mess up.

I try to hit a field once a week to work on form and such. I have a basket in my living room and try to throw at least 50 putts from 25 a day. Ive improved drastically but have a hard time canning them in rounds still.

Also Im bipolar, so I mean its not really like a huge deal but getting control of my mental game has proven difficult at times whether its from on course or off course distractions.

Goals are basically not be last hahaha. Im having fun mostly, but I want to at least be middle ground. 20/30 would be cool hahaha.


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Also the courses Im playing are pretty wooded and technical mostly. Very few holes over 400, but lots under 300 on crazy lines through MN brush. Wouldnt say they are difficult, but they arent the avg pitch n putt city parks. Lakewood Hills, Kaposia and Acorn Park are my home courses if anyone knows them for reference.


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