#1  
Old 06-27-2020, 04:14 PM
Jbultman Jbultman is offline
Birdie Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 253
Niced 19 Times in 14 Posts
Default Undertaker speed rating?

Does anyone else feel that the Undertakers speed rating of 9 is a little much? I’m throwing Thunderbirds 30-40ft farther than my Undertakers. Don’t get me wrong, I love them and they’re not coming out of my bag but I was surprised it was a 9 speed when I was talking to a buddy about them today.

Is it me or is someone also in agreeance?
Sponsored Links
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-27-2020, 04:27 PM
oldmandiscer oldmandiscer is offline
Eagle Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 799
Niced 146 Times in 101 Posts
Default

I have not thrown an Undertaker but looked at the PDGA specs. While both are listed at 1.9 rims, the inside diameter is 17.3 for the Thundy versus 17.5 for the Undertaker. Assuming those numbers are accurate, the rim conf are nearly identical (hopw sharp the rim is) that .2 difference could factor a bit. Maybe the Thunderbird is closer to 1.95 while the Undertaker rim is 1.85. One rounded up and one down. Still 30-40 feet is a lot of distance. I'm guessing you are simly throwing the Thunderbirds better or they are gliding out better, some combination. Maybe the dome is flat on the undertaker and they are not gliding much? Are the Undertakers more stable? A more overstable flat disc will hyzer out sooner and glide less.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-27-2020, 04:35 PM
Jbultman Jbultman is offline
Birdie Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 253
Niced 19 Times in 14 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmandiscer View Post
I have not thrown an Undertaker but looked at the PDGA specs. While both are listed at 1.9 rims, the inside diameter is 17.3 for the Thundy versus 17.5 for the Undertaker. Assuming those numbers are accurate, the rim conf are nearly identical (hopw sharp the rim is) that .2 difference could factor a bit. Maybe the Thunderbird is closer to 1.95 while the Undertaker rim is 1.85. One rounded up and one down. Still 30-40 feet is a lot of distance. I'm guessing you are simly throwing the Thunderbirds better or they are gliding out better, some combination. Maybe the dome is flat on the undertaker and they are not gliding much? Are the Undertakers more stable? A more overstable flat disc will hyzer out sooner and glide less.
Thunderbird 420 - Big Jerm
Undertaker 390 - Ti
Undertaker does have a little bit of dome, very straight and more understable than the Thunderbirds.
Thunderbird is much more overstable and flatter.
Maybe it’s a subconscious thing for me knowing that it’s more understandable disc and I shouldn’t throw it as hard because then it might flip over?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-27-2020, 04:51 PM
Jolt Jolt is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Sweden
Posts: 3,379
Niced 2,046 Times in 1,149 Posts
Default

The Undertaker is not 1,9cm in the rim. . i have +10 Undertakers and non of them have a 1,9rim. .more like 1,83-1,85

I would call it a speed 8

Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-27-2020, 04:58 PM
Casey 1988 Casey 1988 is offline
Shun the frumious Bandersnatch!
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Pierre, South Dakota, USA
Years Playing: 17.3
Courses Played: 25
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 6,980
Niced 1,162 Times in 966 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolt View Post
The Undertaker is not 1,9cm in the rim. . i have +10 Undertakers and non of them have a 1,9rim. .more like 1,83-1,85

I would call it a speed 8
Yeah Discraft has been off with the speeds of most of its older models from 2000's or older since the Speed numbers for site came out, not fixing most of the older discs that are off to the right speed. The Discraft company people did with the Archer move disc from 7 to 5 speed fairway disc as clearly the Archer mold was like the Stratus, but the older discs like some putters, Rattler need to be speed 1. Even the Zone got the update to the mold, the disc going from 3-3.5 to a full out 4 speed.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-27-2020, 05:13 PM
oldmandiscer oldmandiscer is offline
Eagle Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 799
Niced 146 Times in 101 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolt View Post
The Undertaker is not 1,9cm in the rim. . i have +10 Undertakers and non of them have a 1,9rim. .more like 1,83-1,85

I would call it a speed 8
That's what I assumed by looking at the PDGA specs for inside diameter. Closer to speed 8 if a Thundy is a 9. Even Innova doesn't use rim width on their own charts that closely. Sure rim depth and rim shapness are factors as well. But you can find a Krait being called a speed 11 with a 2.3 rim while a Corvette is called speed 14 with a 2.3 rim. That's 3 speed rating difference! Nearly identical rim width. I assume the Corvette is pushing 2.35 though and the Krait 2.25. Still. lol

Discraft speed ratings are all over the place. Same with Millenium on a few discs. A JLS which is nearly identical to a Leopard is called speed 8 lots of places. And of course a Leo is 6. Discraft has the Stalker called speed 7 but it's slower, bigger with a narrower rim then a Teebird. Flies more like a crossbreed between a Teebird and Buzzz.

To be fair to Millenium I think it's just the Disc golf resellers peddling the JLS as an 8 speed driver.

I do believe the RR and SW are 1.8 rims as well, but Innova has those as speed 9's. I should get out my calipers and measure.

Niced: (1)
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-27-2020, 05:36 PM
Jbultman Jbultman is offline
Birdie Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 253
Niced 19 Times in 14 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolt View Post
The Undertaker is not 1,9cm in the rim. . i have +10 Undertakers and non of them have a 1,9rim. .more like 1,83-1,85

I would call it a speed 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by Casey 1988 View Post
Yeah Discraft has been off with the speeds of most of its older models from 2000's or older since the Speed numbers for site came out, not fixing most of the older discs that are off to the right speed. The Discraft company people did with the Archer move disc from 7 to 5 speed fairway disc as clearly the Archer mold was like the Stratus, but the older discs like some putters, Rattler need to be speed 1. Even the Zone got the update to the mold, the disc going from 3-3.5 to a full out 4 speed.
Sounds, like I’m not going insane then. This is good news.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-27-2020, 06:00 PM
GripEnemy's Avatar
GripEnemy GripEnemy is offline
Thread_Killer :::crickets:::
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: PA
Years Playing: 18.6
Courses Played: 41
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 4,325
Niced 1,223 Times in 611 Posts
Default

Speed numbers are arbitrary. So is glide, turn, and fade. This isn't an attack at OP but who cares what speed what disc is? Rim width and overall mold diameter (and dome etc) matter more with flight.

Innova started the four number system, they aren't the "owners" of it though.


Imagine a 10/3/0/2 disc. Would Innova, Discraft, Legacy, Westside, MVP, Prodigy, RDG etc. all actually produce the same flight? Innova's "3" glide isn't the same as Westsides, nor is their fade the same as Legacy. Forget the fact that these businesses are at different altitudes (biggest cause of flight differences among molds IMO), we're simply all human. There's no "PDGA robot" that throws and analyzes each disc. Jeff from Wisconsin and Sarah from Sydney are creating these numbers.

They're. Just. Guidelines.

Niced: (2)
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-27-2020, 06:05 PM
VictorB's Avatar
VictorB VictorB is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Madison, WI
Years Playing: 15.2
Courses Played: 91
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 4,320
Niced 1,572 Times in 783 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jbultman View Post

Is it me or is someone also in agreeance?
Been saying this for the couple years I've been throwing them.

Niced: (1)
Reply With Quote
 

  #10  
Old 06-27-2020, 07:13 PM
Twmccoy Twmccoy is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 2,694
Niced 952 Times in 734 Posts
Default

FWIW, I don't feel like the Vulture or Anax are speed 10 either.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
FD Vs Undertaker 18martha18 Discs 11 01-16-2020 03:50 PM
Z Undertaker Streets The Marketplace 3 04-22-2018 08:14 PM
Speed rating vs. WIND Question JNichols Discs 31 07-27-2015 08:59 AM
Speed rating differences Darth Anovin Technique & Strategy 4 01-29-2011 09:40 AM
Discs faster then its speed rating? AirMcNair Discs 19 12-12-2010 07:48 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:53 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.