Understable complement to an Emac Truth?

[aphilso1]

I’m an Emac Truth thrower. Currently I bag:
Lucid-X Emac Truth
Fuzion Emac Truth
Beat-to-snot 4-year-old Biofuzion Emac Truth
TP Tursas

Hand feel is very important to me (I’m neurotic), so I did dabble with the Warrant while it was in production. For my hands, the Tursas is actually a better pairing for the Emac than the Warrant, despite the Warrant being designed to feel like the Emac and OG Truths. The reason why is because the rim of the Tursas (where you’re primarily gripping) feels very similar to Truths, whereas the Warrant felt thinner and just a bit odd to my hand. The flipside of that though is that the overall shape of a Warrant was pretty similar to the Truths, whereas the nose of the Tursas is very different from a Truth. Since the nose is a part of the disc that doesn’t really impact my grip much, this doesn’t bother me.

Prior to them going OOP, I used to rely on the Evidence pretty heavily. Verdict/Emac Truth/Evidence/Tursas (if all in the same plastic type) was a great midrange lineup with a consistent hand feel, other than the top piece of the Tursas giving it a rounded rather than blunt nose. With the release of L-X Emacs I no longer carry a Verdict, and I ditched Evidences because I hate throwing OOP discs. So now I’m down to just two midrange molds. I still have a small stack of Evidences, a couple of which are unthrown with the sticker still on, simply because I’m lazy and haven’t gone to the effort of selling them online. I have no intention of ever bagging them again.

One final word of caution – I personally would avoid Trilogy baseline plastic mids since hand feel seems important to you. For whatever reason, Prime and Classic plastics mold up pancake flat for mids and thus feel very different from their premium counterparts. The best plastic combo if you’re looking for same feel but different flight is Lucid-X and Biofuzion.

[Chuch]

Get a $10 prime burst Truth and beat it in a round or two and there ya go.

[jmdaire27]

The warrant is the right answer IMO. Regular truth in Lucid still is not “understable.” Tursas could work, but the feel is different, though it is at least beadless, unlike the fuse, which, for obvious reasons, also feels quite different.

The warrant feels very similar to the EMac truth. I dabbled with the Tursas in this spot, but the one I got is pretty domey and felt deeper than the Truth/Warrant, so I’m just hoping I don’t lose any of my two remaining lucid warrants. To call it squirrelly is likely more user error than discs fault; which can be said for basically any understable disc.

If DD drops some lucid warrants some time, I’m stocking up. They feel great and shred in the woods.

And yeah, as aphilso1 said, Prime plastic for putters all day; avoid it for anything faster than a putter though.

Edit: forgot to say I heart the EMac Truth and verdict, for that matter.

[R-Ogre]

Nobody chiming in with Buzzz?

[jmdaire27]

EMac Truth was made to be a DD Buzzz. I believe they have similar stability, so I don’t think it would make a good US compliment to an ETruth. I haven’t thrown a buzzz in a long while tho, since the ETruth is better, IMO.

[G-Vaughn0906]

Originally Posted by R-Ogre

Nobody chiming in with Buzzz?

Originally Posted by jmdaire27

EMac Truth was made to be a DD Buzzz. I believe they have similar stability, so I don’t think it would make a good US compliment to an ETruth. I haven’t thrown a buzzz in a long while tho, since the ETruth is better, IMO.

I always thought that the regular Truth was supposed to be more like a Buzzz if I’m not mistaken.

Maybe the regular Truth is supposed to be a Buzzz SS though.

[aphilso1]

Originally Posted by G-Vaughn0906

I always thought that the regular Truth was supposed to be more like a Buzzz if I’m not mistaken.

Maybe the regular Truth is supposed to be a Buzzz SS though.

It's a long story, that can be found on youtube if you search for history of emac truth or something like that.

Cliff notes version: Truth was one of DD's first molds. Something happened to where that one specific mold started coming out less stable than they wanted. So they 'tweaked' the mold design to mimic the flight that the Truth originally had, and with a nearly identical hand feel. They called that tweaked mold the Emac Truth. And because a lot of people had fallen in love with the Truth at that point, they still kept the regular Truth in production but updated the flight numbers to reflect the lower stability.

Related note: if you ever hear someone use the phrase "PreMac Truth" that means it is a disc from the original Truth mold, but back before the mold lost stability. This was the disc that was truly designed to be the DD Buzzz.

[oldmandiscer]

Originally Posted by jmdaire27

The warrant is the right answer IMO. Regular truth in Lucid still is not “understable.” Tursas could work, but the feel is different, though it is at least beadless, unlike the fuse, which, for obvious reasons, also feels quite different.

The warrant feels very similar to the EMac truth. I dabbled with the Tursas in this spot, but the one I got is pretty domey and felt deeper than the Truth/Warrant, so I’m just hoping I don’t lose any of my two remaining lucid warrants. To call it squirrelly is likely more user error than discs fault; which can be said for basically any understable disc.

If DD drops some lucid warrants some time, I’m stocking up. They feel great and shred in the woods.

And yeah, as aphilso1 said, Prime plastic for putters all day; avoid it for anything faster than a putter though.

Edit: forgot to say I heart the EMac Truth and verdict, for that matter.

It has more to do with the design of the disc. When you have a flat top on a fairly understable disc it's simply not going to be very reliable at decent power. You need some dome to give it more glide, slow it down more, make it more predictable.

Finicky, squirrelly unpredictable are what I would call it. People also and certainly not just me will also say get some dome on a Fuse or Tursas. Flat top understable discs simply don't work well. I would call it a design flaw.

Other pro's agree as well. In case you are wondering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhoKG5S6jiU

I do like flat beefy discs though. You're already likely throwing into a headwind. "Don't need the glide" and even some straight discs can be fine for me that are flatter. Like a Truth.

[oldmandiscer]

Originally Posted by aphilso1

It's a long story, that can be found on youtube if you search for history of emac truth or something like that.

Cliff notes version: Truth was one of DD's first molds. Something happened to where that one specific mold started coming out less stable than they wanted. So they 'tweaked' the mold design to mimic the flight that the Truth originally had, and with a nearly identical hand feel. They called that tweaked mold the Emac Truth. And because a lot of people had fallen in love with the Truth at that point, they still kept the regular Truth in production but updated the flight numbers to reflect the lower stability.

Related note: if you ever hear someone use the phrase "PreMac Truth" that means it is a disc from the original Truth mold, but back before the mold lost stability. This was the disc that was truly designed to be the DD Buzzz.

Yeah I got a couple premacs still. An emac premac even. (the white one with his little design on the corner).

[elmexdela]

Originally Posted by R-Ogre

Nobody chiming in with Buzzz?

dgcr is lost