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Was it poor sportsmanship?
We need more of that kind of stuff. The talent pool at the top is getting younger. The sport (pro side) needs more personality (good or not so good) instead of the robotic non emotive play trending the past few years.
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Old 03-03-2021, 06:29 AM
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We need more of that kind of stuff. The talent pool at the top is getting younger. The sport (pro side) needs more personality (good or not so good) instead of the robotic non emotive play trending the past few years.
You can rest the blame entirely on cancel culture. Everyone is afraid to say or do the wrong thing and get fired. Without disc manufacturer sponsorship you can kiss your job as a touring professional goodbye.

Hence the sterility of what we see today out of pretty much all the professionals. A lot of these guys are walking on eggshells and keeping things to themselves. Disc golf is definitely losing its counterculture and rebel roots and has been for awhile now.

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Old 03-03-2021, 07:48 AM
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Any thoughts on the way Eagle putted out to finish the tournament?
Jerm seemed to be on the cusp of saying something negative but basically said wow a few times...

Was it poor sportsmanship? Or a fun moment for disc golf? Was it something that signifies the fun and more free history of the game versus the stodgy puritanism of ball golf? Or was it an insult to us all and black mark upon our venerable pastime? Did it rub any of you keyboard warriors the wrong way?



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What did he do? I saw him throw the upside down Tilt, but I think I missed everything after that.
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Old 03-03-2021, 07:53 AM
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What did he do? I saw him throw the upside down Tilt, but I think I missed everything after that.
Some kind of under the leg tap out.


Nothing egregious as far as I'm concerned. He earned that right.

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Old 03-03-2021, 07:56 AM
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You can rest the blame entirely on cancel culture. Everyone is afraid to say or do the wrong thing and get fired. Without disc manufacturer sponsorship you can kiss your job as a touring professional goodbye.

Hence the sterility of what we see today out of pretty much all the professionals. A lot of these guys are walking on eggshells and keeping things to themselves. Disc golf is definitely losing its counterculture and rebel roots and has been for awhile now.
What exactly do you think the players aren't doing or saying out of fear of getting cancelled?

The only thing that people anywhere are really getting "cancelled" over are criminal acts or saying racist or misogynistic or homophobic things. Are you saying there isn't enough of that stuff in disc golf?

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Old 03-03-2021, 09:13 AM
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The Las Vegas Challenge gave every player a hefty caddy book before the tournament. There are a lot of ground rules dealing with OB, re-teeing, drop zones, etc. I have played this event every year. Every year my groups routinely double check with the Caddy book on how to proceed if we have any questions. It is very simple and just takes a few extra seconds to be sure we are getting the calls right.

I was "disc"gusted to see how the lead card handled basic course rules questions on Sunday. Instead of one of the four players opening up the caddy book, they all stood aside and waited for Jeff Spring to make a ruling before anyone would take another shot. These are pretty simple rules that don't require the tour manager to make the call. Meanwhile, Nate Doss is in Oregon and can read his caddy book and explain exactly what the call should be before Jeff Spring finally comes around to officiate. Again, it was embarrassing to see how the top players in the game seemed unwilling to self-officiate on basic ground rules.

FYI - One of the holes where the lead group waited for a tour director call was Hole 6. The rules on Innova Hole #6 have been very similar every year. If disc does not land inbounds off the tee for any reason, player automatically proceeds to drop zone. Any subsequent OB is played by PDGA rules. It is NOT a tough rule to understand or implement. Why did this group wait for Jeff to rule after Paul went OB from the drop zone? Why didn't a single one of these top players pull out the caddy book and read it aloud for the group?

Is it so they don't look bad on camera for making a rules call on an opponent? Is it because there is bigger money on the line? It was a bad look for all of them not stepping up to read the caddy book and make the call.

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Old 03-03-2021, 12:44 PM
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The Las Vegas Challenge gave every player a hefty caddy book before the tournament. There are a lot of ground rules dealing with OB, re-teeing, drop zones, etc. I have played this event every year. Every year my groups routinely double check with the Caddy book on how to proceed if we have any questions. It is very simple and just takes a few extra seconds to be sure we are getting the calls right.

I was "disc"gusted to see how the lead card handled basic course rules questions on Sunday. Instead of one of the four players opening up the caddy book, they all stood aside and waited for Jeff Spring to make a ruling before anyone would take another shot. These are pretty simple rules that don't require the tour manager to make the call. Meanwhile, Nate Doss is in Oregon and can read his caddy book and explain exactly what the call should be before Jeff Spring finally comes around to officiate. Again, it was embarrassing to see how the top players in the game seemed unwilling to self-officiate on basic ground rules.

FYI - One of the holes where the lead group waited for a tour director call was Hole 6. The rules on Innova Hole #6 have been very similar every year. If disc does not land inbounds off the tee for any reason, player automatically proceeds to drop zone. Any subsequent OB is played by PDGA rules. It is NOT a tough rule to understand or implement. Why did this group wait for Jeff to rule after Paul went OB from the drop zone? Why didn't a single one of these top players pull out the caddy book and read it aloud for the group?

Is it so they don't look bad on camera for making a rules call on an opponent? Is it because there is bigger money on the line? It was a bad look for all of them not stepping up to read the caddy book and make the call.
Caddy Books are for Caddies?

Seriously, it may be that Jeff advised the players to call him whenever they are unsure of a rule, rather than argue it out in front of the cameras. Appearances.

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The Las Vegas Challenge gave every player a hefty caddy book before the tournament. There are a lot of ground rules dealing with OB, re-teeing, drop zones, etc. I have played this event every year. Every year my groups routinely double check with the Caddy book on how to proceed if we have any questions. It is very simple and just takes a few extra seconds to be sure we are getting the calls right.

I was "disc"gusted to see how the lead card handled basic course rules questions on Sunday. Instead of one of the four players opening up the caddy book, they all stood aside and waited for Jeff Spring to make a ruling before anyone would take another shot. These are pretty simple rules that don't require the tour manager to make the call. Meanwhile, Nate Doss is in Oregon and can read his caddy book and explain exactly what the call should be before Jeff Spring finally comes around to officiate. Again, it was embarrassing to see how the top players in the game seemed unwilling to self-officiate on basic ground rules.

FYI - One of the holes where the lead group waited for a tour director call was Hole 6. The rules on Innova Hole #6 have been very similar every year. If disc does not land inbounds off the tee for any reason, player automatically proceeds to drop zone. Any subsequent OB is played by PDGA rules. It is NOT a tough rule to understand or implement. Why did this group wait for Jeff to rule after Paul went OB from the drop zone? Why didn't a single one of these top players pull out the caddy book and read it aloud for the group?

Is it so they don't look bad on camera for making a rules call on an opponent? Is it because there is bigger money on the line? It was a bad look for all of them not stepping up to read the caddy book and make the call.
A much better and more impactful observation than my trolling question on Eagle’s putt...
Why is the MPO field afraid of the rulebook?
“Unwritten rules” of disc golf like in baseball? No one wants to be “that guy”? So strange.

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Caddy Books are for Caddies?

Seriously, it may be that Jeff advised the players to call him whenever they are unsure of a rule, rather than argue it out in front of the cameras. Appearances.
What a terrible thought. Instead of exemplifying the spirit of the game and demonstrating what a rules discussion looks like, the TD is called in to make a decision so the kids don’t fight?

And then the implication is that actual rules discussions must be contentious and argumentative so much that they should be avoided.



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Old 03-03-2021, 02:17 PM
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What a terrible thought. Instead of exemplifying the spirit of the game and demonstrating what a rules discussion looks like, the TD is called in to make a decision so the kids don’t fight?

And then the implication is that actual rules discussions must be contentious and argumentative so much that they should be avoided.
Not really. The desired perception might be that a "referee" making the call appears more professional than letting the players work it out. Note that this is all supposition.

I've seen exactly that attitude expressed many times in this forum.
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Any thoughts on the way Eagle putted out to finish the tournament?
Jerm seemed to be on the cusp of saying something negative but basically said wow a few times...

Was it poor sportsmanship? Or a fun moment for disc golf? Was it something that signifies the fun and more free history of the game versus the stodgy puritanism of ball golf? Or was it an insult to us all and black mark upon our venerable pastime? Did it rub any of you keyboard warriors the wrong way?



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If i was winning by 8 strokes with a few holes left i would totally clown on the rest of the card

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