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I don't understand how this is a bad thing. The am divisions are not funding the pro purse so what is the problem here?
Local communities have finite resources both in terms of financial support and volunteer hours. Running a big event to draw the top pros puts large demands on each often at the expense of something else which could arguably more effectively grow the game in the local community. Each place hosting a DGPT event for instance could purchase not one but 2 sets of baskets through the DGPT sanctioning fee ($2k) and the added cash requirement ($10k) alone. In addition the local clubs running big events are often not left with a warm fuzzy feeling by having hosted said big events.
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:26 AM
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I honestly couldn't disagree more. The best way to get better is by having practice discs? Come on. Give Paul McBeth an allotment of 30 discs for the whole season and he's still the best player in the world. I'm willing to bet there is zero correlation between number of discs owned and skill level once you get past 10 or so discs.
You compared Paul McBeth to a beginning player and how they get better? knowing what your disc does is the most important thing. Throwing 1 disc then walking 300 ft, repeat, to see how that mold flys is ridiculous. Also you did the lazy thing of picking one piece and saying you couldnt disagree more...which means that you think having multiples of discs can in no way shape or form, ever make you better. Just remember to let people play through when you are noob annying your Ape or Groove that you bought because the flight numbers looked right.

"I'm willing to bet there is zero correlation between number of discs owned and skill level once you get past 10 or so discs."


# of discs doesnt correlate to practice. # of practice discs correlates to practice. If you have never gone to a field or a specific shaped hole and thrown 5-6 of the same disc to practice lines, muscle memory, and shot shaping, you are leaving a whole bunch of shots on the table when you play.

Anyone who thinks Paul doesnt take a stack of 10 of the same disc or 15 putters and just practices throwing the same shot over and over is loony.

Do you also disagree that payout is a great way for smaller companies to trial their discs?

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Old 05-15-2019, 09:29 AM
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I don't understand how this is a bad thing. The am divisions are not funding the pro purse so what is the problem here?
What world do you live in? Of course many TD's take from the Am buy in to seed the added cash for pros. They use player pack "value" to satisfy the am payout even though their costs are 50-70% less (or free if sponsorship). They use that money to make a profit or grow added cash for the pros.

Its the old "hey this Brewery sticker I got for free is valued at $3" in the players pack.

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Old 05-15-2019, 09:32 AM
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Strongly disagree.

The best way to get better is to practice A LOT. You can practice with what's in your bag, every day. Of course having a few extras of your most used discs helps - but I don't think not being able to afford to buy a few extra discs is going to keep someone from getting better if that's what they really want. We get too tied up in the equipment side of this game, when the best players play well because they play and practice so often.

I don't have 10 of every disc that I throw, not even putters. Having that many won't help me get better, most of them just sit in storage. Focusing on your most used discs, and putting, is how you'll improve. I think comets and wasps are the only things that I have 10+ of, and that's mainly because I've been throwing them on and off for over a decade.
Getting hung up on 10 is short sighted. You can't fathom a scenario where having 3 of the same disc to throw or more than one putter could ever make you better? A scenario where, you have trouble with a 300ft turnover line and you set 5 similar discs down at the tee and throw all 5 just to cement that feel and throw in your brain and muscle memory?
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:36 AM
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I don't understand how this is a bad thing. The am divisions are not funding the pro purse so what is the problem here?
If you dont understand the dynamics of most disc golf communities, then you cant understand how valuable the local cash pool is to the courses and local clubs.
Pros getting cash with minimal outside sponsorship $(current situation)
Disc golf money leaving to be spent on non disc golf related things, hurts the sport.

Pros getting cash with outside sponsorship money (maybe future)
Non-disc golf money entering the disc golf community to be spent on disc golf related things helps the sport.

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Old 05-15-2019, 09:41 AM
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You compared Paul McBeth to a beginning player and how they get better? knowing what your disc does is the most important thing. Throwing 1 disc then walking 300 ft, repeat, to see how that mold flys is ridiculous. Also you did the lazy thing of picking one piece and saying you couldnt disagree more...which means that you think having multiples of discs can in no way shape or form, ever make you better. Just remember to let people play through when you are noob annying your Ape or Groove that you bought because the flight numbers looked right.

"I'm willing to bet there is zero correlation between number of discs owned and skill level once you get past 10 or so discs."


# of discs doesnt correlate to practice. # of practice discs correlates to practice. If you have never gone to a field or a specific shaped hole and thrown 5-6 of the same disc to practice lines, muscle memory, and shot shaping, you are leaving a whole bunch of shots on the table when you play.

Anyone who thinks Paul doesnt take a stack of 10 of the same disc or 15 putters and just practices throwing the same shot over and over is loony.

Do you also disagree that payout is a great way for smaller companies to trial their discs?
Okay fine. Here's a better example for you. I went from 883 to 967 in 15 months throwing a bag of 6 discs with one back up of each. So I used 12 discs total to practice. I don't need to know how a specific mold flies bc there is so much variance in plastic injection molding that two of the same mold could fly completely different, but I sure know how those 12 discs in my bag fly. Sometimes I would throw most all of them on the same hole so I could practice different shot shapes with each disc. I bet I knew my bag better than most people out there bc I threw those specific discs so often, the same discs I was using in tournaments. Sure Paul McBeth throws the same discs several times but by no means is that what makes him successful. Plus when he's on tour, he doesn't have room to carry 100s of discs so he probably throws mainly what is in his bag.

As far as payout being a great way to trial discs for smaller companies, I'm on the same page there. Although I think player packs could do the same thing.

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Old 05-15-2019, 12:00 PM
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Sometimes I would throw most all of them on the same hole so I could practice different shot shapes with each disc. I bet I knew my bag better than most people out there bc I threw those specific discs so often, the same discs I was using in tournaments.
This is exactly why you don't have to have a stack of the exact same disc to practice with.

For putters, having a stack just makes it more convenient, changes nothing else really
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I agree 100 percent. I rather win a trophy so i can remember that day instead of disc or merchandise. I came in second and third and receive disc i would never play with but the 3rd place trophy and first place trophy I have mounted on top of the tv. Plus my wife now calls me her Champion. I'm a Big fan of trophy.

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What world do you live in? Of course many TD's take from the Am buy in to seed the added cash for pros. They use player pack "value" to satisfy the am payout even though their costs are 50-70% less (or free if sponsorship). They use that money to make a profit or grow added cash for the pros.

Its the old "hey this Brewery sticker I got for free is valued at $3" in the players pack.
Or chap stick,koozey,lanyards, and my favorite discraft stickers that get thrown away.

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I agree 100 percent. I rather win a trophy so i can remember that day instead of disc or merchandise. I came in second and third and receive disc i would never play with but the 3rd place trophy and first place trophy I have mounted on top of the tv. Plus my wife now calls me her Champion. I'm a Big fan of trophy.
That's my problem with trophies. They just take up space, collect dust, and remind me of a feat, that in the grand scheme of my life isn't that significant. Unless it was a prestigious event, I'd just as soon do without them. A disc I don't want I can always sell.
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