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Old 11-09-2009, 06:30 PM
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Maybe I was having bad day.

I just received two predators, 169 and 171, newish, in Elite Z. Thought I'd test them out. I warmed up with some mids and threw them about as good as I normally do.

Anyway, when I went to the Predators, I was turning them both. I was getting 320-330 or so. I mean, I'm not Climo, but I have thrown overstable before. I do good with Vipers and Banshees, but I don't turn them. I sometimes struggle with Starfires so I thought these, being a step down in speed would help. I like the rim thickness (same as a Valk and Viking, my fav understables) but I really expected these to fly straight or even hyzer on me when thrown flat. I didn't have any other drivers to throw to use as a gage.

Anyone else have this problem? Thought I'd do a reality check here first, before I try them again, next time with a Starfire and Teebird to compare.
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:35 PM
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Is that the same weight as everything else you throw? Put 'em on a scale and see if the weight is right.
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:40 PM
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I usually do weigh them and will to double check. But, yes, to answer your question. My valks, viking, Starfire, are all in the 167 to 171 range.
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:44 PM
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When you say newish, how worn? Do they have the stamps on them?

Other than that, Im not sure. I would say OAT but if you were keeping your mids straight then I dont see why you would get that in just those discs.
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:53 PM
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Not worn at all. Could have been OAT, I was trying to throw fairly hard, harder then my mids. I usually need a good hard throw to keep my Starfires flat. But when I do they really lock in well, even in wind.

I'm completely happy for you guys to tell me the discs are fine and I stink!
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Old 11-09-2009, 07:01 PM
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I can turn over my predators if I put a too much power into them. It's meant to be more of a fairway or control driver than a max distance disc. The predator should be good in the 300-375ft range without any turnover problems, and a nice predictable fade at the end of their flight. If you're putting more power on them than this, they can turn over when thrown flat.
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Old 11-09-2009, 07:39 PM
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I can turn over my predators if I put a too much power into them. It's meant to be more of a fairway or control driver than a max distance disc. The predator should be good in the 300-375ft range without any turnover problems, and a nice predictable fade at the end of their flight. If you're putting more power on them than this, they can turn over when thrown flat.
That's the range I'm in. My Valks are going about 330-350 and I was looking for the overstable compliment. It's just that according to the numbers (Discraft, Joe's chart) this thing was listed as really overstable. I almost expected to throw it in a complete hyzer circle and hit myself in the a$$!

I'm going out tomorrow with 2 Starfires, a Viking, and a Teebird. That will be a better comparison, because if my throw is off, those discs will tell me because I know them fairly well.
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Old 11-09-2009, 09:28 PM
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Sounds like might want to go up in weight. I have a 174g Predator and my little bro has a 167g Predator, we have very similar backhands as far as form and power go and he can turn his over easily where as mine it is much more difficult, it's so much so that I have started using it for forehands. You could also try ESP to change it up.
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Old 11-09-2009, 10:15 PM
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the weight differences might make some sense. My preds are 174s, and there's no worry of turning them over at that power range. I haven't noticed really any difference in flight between my Z and ESP ones.
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Old 11-09-2009, 10:34 PM
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We throw ESP Predators so I wouldn't know either if the plastics would make a difference but one thing I have noticed is that my bro and I both have a 174g Crush, mine is in ESP and his in Z and his flies much more overstable than mine, which is very odd (could be a mess up in the mold too though.)
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