#1  
Old 08-07-2020, 02:27 PM
Twmccoy Twmccoy is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 2,686
Niced 948 Times in 731 Posts
Default Streamline Trace vs. Star Wraith

Another comparison of two fairly similar discs in the field today. Trace is plasma plastic, unknown weight. Plastic kinda reminds me of G*. Wraith is 175g. Newer run, embossed. Flattish, somewhat gummy plastic.

Wraith is fairly flat, whereas the Trace has a nice dome.

I was expecting the Trace to outfly the Wraith for distance, mainly due to the fact that it's domier.

The two discs flew very similar lines, but the star Wraith was going consistently further. I felt like the Wraith penetrated better, and was in less hurry to fade. The Trace just seemed clunky. It wasn't any slower than the Wraith, yet it wasn't getting downrange that decently. I also felt like it glided less than the Wraith as well.


Star Wraith: 11, 5, -1, 3
Streamline Trace: 11, 4, -1, 3

Similar numbers, but less glide for the Trace. By no means a terrible disc, but I was still a little disappointed with it. The Wraith was true to the numbers. No great surprises there. I was able to lean into it hard and get consistent flights. A little turn, but nothing major.

I don't bag either mold, but if I did it'd be the Wraith. I just felt like I threw it more consistently and got better distance with it over the Trace. The Trace reminded me more of a Starfire.

Top Wraith distance was probably about 420'. Trace was at least 10' shorter. I was really surprised the Trace wasn't carrying further. I fully expected it to beat the Wraith.
Sponsored Links
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-07-2020, 02:46 PM
BenHaavisto BenHaavisto is offline
Par Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Kansas
Years Playing: 7.3
Courses Played: 92
Throwing Style: LHBH
Posts: 186
Niced 65 Times in 51 Posts
Default

Interesting, from my personal experience I have found the plasma trace to be noticeably less stable than that of a star wraith. I would be interested to see the comparison if you also added a CD3! To me, the CD3 is right in between the trace in the wraith stability wise, and for me flies the furthest of the three, although I have not recorded the distance on many wraith shots.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-07-2020, 06:31 PM
aphilso1's Avatar
aphilso1 aphilso1 is offline
Double Eagle Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Utah
Years Playing: 3.1
Courses Played: 41
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 1,250
Niced 804 Times in 490 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BenHaavisto View Post
Interesting, from my personal experience I have found the plasma trace to be noticeably less stable than that of a star wraith. I would be interested to see the comparison if you also added a CD3! To me, the CD3 is right in between the trace in the wraith stability wise, and for me flies the furthest of the three, although I have not recorded the distance on many wraith shots.
CD3 has a noticeably smaller rim and flies more sluggish. I know it is also listed at 11 speed, but it feels and flies more like a 10 speed IMO.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-07-2020, 08:29 PM
BenHaavisto BenHaavisto is offline
Par Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Kansas
Years Playing: 7.3
Courses Played: 92
Throwing Style: LHBH
Posts: 186
Niced 65 Times in 51 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aphilso1 View Post
CD3 has a noticeably smaller rim and flies more sluggish. I know it is also listed at 11 speed, but it feels and flies more like a 10 speed IMO.
To each their own for sure, the CD3 for me is one of my furthest flying (if not the furthest) discs for me!

I just looked it up because I wouldn't say the rim is noticeably smaller than the other two
to me, and I found this under the PDGA specs:

CD3 - Rim depth 1.2cm, rim thickness 2.1cm, inside rim diameter 16.9

Wraith - Rim depth 1.2cm, rim thickness 2.1cm, inside rim diameter 16.9

Trace - Rim depth 1.2cm, rim thickness 2.2cm, inside rim diameter 16.8

As is with all discs some feel smaller or larger in the hand to some people over others but actual rim specs they are pretty comparable.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-07-2020, 09:21 PM
Twmccoy Twmccoy is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 2,686
Niced 948 Times in 731 Posts
Default

Took me a bit, but I looked up the review I wrote of the CD3 a couple years ago in the CD3 thread. Frankly, I forgot all about that disc until I read what I wrote in 2018.

I remember the disc now. Sluggish, fairly glideless, and overstable. The Trace does remind me of a CD3.

Whatever the case, I find Wraiths a little easier to throw, and longer than the CD3 or Trace.

I rated the CD3 at 11, 4, 0, 2 then. I don't think I've thrown that disc since either. I have it around somewhere.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-07-2020, 09:23 PM
Twmccoy Twmccoy is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 2,686
Niced 948 Times in 731 Posts
Default Review of CD3 from 9/27/18

Threw a CD3 for the first time today. C line. 175ish. Very nice, bright, clear plastic.

For a speed 11 its beefy. I was giving it pretty much all the arm I had and wasn't seeing any high speed turn. I also felt like it had marginal glide. Honestly, the CD3 reminded me of a faster Starfire or maybe a Teerex. It wouldn't stay flat for long before wanting to fade. This disc is often compared to a Wraith, but I felt like the CD3 was beefier and had less glide than any Wraith I've thrown.

Good news was, the fade wasn't overly sharp and the disc wasn't dive bombing left horribly. Being that it was flying pretty overstable I was able to dial the disc in pretty quickly in terms of accuracy. It wasn't much affected by wind and flew exactly the same every time I threw it.

Good disc for 375'ish drives. Bad disc for flexing out for big yards.

CD3: 11, 4, 0, 2 (my numbers). I found the disc to have less glide and less high speed turn than the given numbers. Maybe I just have a beefy one here, but this disc is NOT made for noodle arms or beginners.

Niced: (1)
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-08-2020, 10:55 AM
oldmandiscer oldmandiscer is offline
Eagle Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 719
Niced 140 Times in 97 Posts
Default

I haven't thrown a CD3 but nearly every Innova molded disc in Champion and max weight is noticeably more stable then Star. Heck I got a 175 Champ RR that I would rate -1/1.5. I only throw 400 max though.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-08-2020, 08:25 PM
Muddyboots Muddyboots is offline
Birdie Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Courses Played: 115
Posts: 409
Niced 236 Times in 127 Posts
Default

The Trace excels in Neutron plastic, imo. More glide. Oddly, the custom stamped ones (Circuit, Ace of Spades) are a bit less overstable than the stock stamped ones. I am currently in the process of deciding between Traces and Punishers for my long distance drivers. I will add that while I haven't thrown a Wraith since they started putting flight numbers on them, I am getting the Neutron Trace out to about 440 or 450, with good control. The only downside, if there is one, in my eyes, is that the "narrow" rim width costs them distance when throwing uphill or high flighted shots. Bear in mind i threw Nukes for many years, so maybe I just need to adjust my expectations.

TLDR: Getting old sucks, but a good Trace makes it suck a little less.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-08-2020, 11:03 PM
Twmccoy Twmccoy is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 2,686
Niced 948 Times in 731 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddyboots View Post
The Trace excels in Neutron plastic, imo. More glide. Oddly, the custom stamped ones (Circuit, Ace of Spades) are a bit less overstable than the stock stamped ones. I am currently in the process of deciding between Traces and Punishers for my long distance drivers. I will add that while I haven't thrown a Wraith since they started putting flight numbers on them, I am getting the Neutron Trace out to about 440 or 450, with good control. The only downside, if there is one, in my eyes, is that the "narrow" rim width costs them distance when throwing uphill or high flighted shots. Bear in mind i threw Nukes for many years, so maybe I just need to adjust my expectations.

TLDR: Getting old sucks, but a good Trace makes it suck a little less.
I found the Punisher to be a lot longer than the Trace. Wider, shallower rim.

IMO, the Punisher is one of Discraft's underrated molds that no one seems to throw.

Niced: (1)
Reply With Quote
 

  #10  
Old 08-09-2020, 12:20 AM
Hampstead's Avatar
Hampstead Hampstead is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Spaceship Earth
Years Playing: 30.5
Courses Played: 67
Throwing Style: LHBH
Posts: 3,931
Niced 3,141 Times in 964 Posts
Default

From my experience, the Trace is a bit squirrelly compared to a Wraith. I trust the flight of the Wraith more.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Streamline Trace and Lift Dscgolf13 The Marketplace 7 10-28-2019 11:02 AM
Looking for MVP/Axiom Discs, have Streamline Trace/Legacy in4d The Marketplace 11 06-27-2018 09:43 PM
Pre-release Teedevils, Echo Star Wraith, Star Valk, Star Destro coolhand The Marketplace 3 04-20-2012 09:37 PM
Star Wraith: natural beauty. Augusta Wraith: red/green. pablo.diablo The Marketplace 13 05-23-2011 06:13 PM
Star... Leopard, Teerex, Wraith / Force / Pro Wraith loooookkkkkkkkk Swisher Streets The Marketplace 10 10-06-2009 03:18 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:25 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.