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Old 08-13-2010, 09:57 AM
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I believe powering down your discs is difficult and creates a larger margin of error for your throws. In powering down to get the throw you want, you have to hit that exact spot. Why don't ball golfers power down a 3-wood when they could hit with almost full power with a 5-iron? Because hitting almost full power is easier to hit than powering down.
If you build your throw from the hit back it's actually very easy to power down and keep consistency. All you do is take fewer steps and/or have a shorter reach back. The late acceleration and hit is exactly the same, you just eliminate the distance you get from your legs and core.

You're right that there's a narrow band of how hard you can hit it and get consistency, though. It's just that there are better ways of powering down.

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Why don't ball golfers power down a 3-wood when they could hit with almost full power with a 5-iron? Because hitting almost full power is easier to hit than powering down.
So if a pro golfer is 20 yards from the hole and off the green what club does he use to hit it with full power?

That's an excellent argument for throwing a mid instead of a driver for a straight drive, but that's not really what we're talking about.

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When I use my drone, though, I have parked the hole within 10 feet the past 7 times. Now that is consistency.
Again, the argument isn't that you can't hit a certain shot really consistently, it's that if you came to a similar hole but with the basket 30' closer or farther you'd have a harder time hitting those lines, too.

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I think that it is perspective that we have to look at here. Laid back people could say that yeah, my driver did the job of your overstable mid because it routinely gets just about as close because getting 5-10 feet closer on average isn't much. People who are perfectionists would point out that getting that much closer on average makes your putts easier on every hole.
I'm not sure that's really the difference. The difference is the "laid back" people are suggesting taking a bit of time (it's not nearly as hard as you'd think) to learn to perform all of the shots you're currently performing with your overstable mid with an overstable driver instead. With those added skills you'll have just as much consistency as you did with the mid, but way more line and distance options. Even moving up to a slow overstable driver, like a Whippet or Blaze, will make a big difference. I know I have tried it both ways and after 9 holes of comparing the differences I saw no reason to throw an overstable mid. I'm guessing some of the others who are arguing the same point have had the same revelation.

The "perfectionists" want a disc that will perform one certain line really consistently and then they look for that one line whenever they can rather than finding the best line. Granted, those will be the same many times, but not always.
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Old 08-13-2010, 10:33 AM
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Just thought "imoser me" should know that several of us feel the same way he does and do some of the same things as well. I park holes all the time with my Drone and will continue to do so despite the conversations I’ve had with others here. I have a huge yard and practice driving with mids and putters at my home frequently. Through practice, I have decided that I will never drive with a putter into a headwind. As many arguments as they can make about why not to use this disc, there are counterpoints as to why it is improper to throw a disc designed to putt with and that is affected by the wind so easily off the tee box. Their response is usually that they never flip over their Wizard, which brings me to my point. They never flip the Wizard, because it is so overstable… I never flip my Drone for the exact same reason. For me, it’s personal preference. I score just fine with my FLX Drone on shorter holes. They are trying to tell you that it is in your best interest if you get away from the overstable mids because of all the reasons listed on each of these two threads. What they are not saying to you is that using a firbird or a whippet for your upshot constantly leads to bigger skips and more blow bys past your target. Any user of a Drone knows that one of the selling points of it is that you never go 10' past where you initially hit the ground. The FLX plastic absorbs the impact and disperses the energy, allowing it to die where it landed. It is a matter of personal preference.

Again, they are speaking of technically sound skills to help you advance your game. That has a place in our developing into better players, but as a grown man with job, family, and responsibility pulling at me from ever direction; I have no desire to spend the days or weeks to learn something I already excel at by using a disc they consider unnecessary. My $0.02.

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Old 08-13-2010, 10:42 AM
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I appreciate all of the advise out there on this topic. Maybe I will start trying more lines some of my understable mids, but as a matter of personal preference I will continue to keep using the drone rather than throwing a driver. If it works for you great, but don't me it doesn't help me when you've never seen me play. I do believe that there is great advice on this site that for the most part will help the masses, but I do believe that there are things that help dgers get to the next level and helps to seperate themselves from the rest of the mass. My ability to consistantly use osmr has by far saved me more strokes than weighed me down. If you don't like 'em don't throw 'em. I don't like throwing certain plastics does that mean that my game is going to suffer, no, but I does mean that I will learn to play my style of disc. Then the only question left at the end of the day is who won? Maybe you do beat me with an overstable drive powered down, but I can at least say "you" beat me, not me failing to perform someone elses technique.
So how has this gone for you jdw80550? My experiment has taught me that trying to tee off with any sort of putter leads to frustration and poor scores on holes that I consistently score well on with my Drone or Buzzz. A putter into any sort of headwind seems to be a fool's gamble. I will continue to throw my overstable midrange on shorter holes and upshots because I trust it because I know exactly what it's going to do.
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Old 08-13-2010, 11:09 AM
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Heh, nice thread merge fellas. Now I look like I'm talking to myself. Did you say something?!?
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Old 08-13-2010, 11:24 AM
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Here's a couple questions.

For those using really overstable mids, how many of you have learned to throw a really overstable driver consistently for those same shots but ended up choosing the overstable mid instead?

For those using overtable drivers, how many of you started with an overstable mid, learned to throw very overstable drivers and decided overstable mids didn't have a spot in your bag?

For anyone who's learned how to throw a very overstable driver for the same shots as very overstable mids, how difficult was it to learn?

For anyone who's tried to learn to throw a very overstable driver for the same shots as a very overstable mid, how many have also built their throw from the hit back and/or have worked on driving from a standstill or with less reach back?

For me, replacing a Demon with a Blaze took a half casual round of comparison and work before I decided the Demon was useless to me. Most of that work was done in 3-4 throws on one hole. To replace the Blaze with the Spirit I learned to throw from the hit back and decided I could easily pull off the same shots. At the same time I gained 20' on how far I can consistently drive my mids. That took a couple field sessons of work but my driving consistency has never been better.
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Old 08-13-2010, 11:47 AM
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Here's a couple questions.

For those using really overstable mids, how many of you have learned to throw a really overstable driver consistently for those same shots but ended up choosing the overstable mid instead?
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For those using overtable drivers, how many of you started with an overstable mid, learned to throw very overstable drivers and decided overstable mids didn't have a spot in your bag?
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For anyone who's learned how to throw a very overstable driver for the same shots as very overstable mids, how difficult was it to learn?
Took me a short while with a Whippet (10 throws?). Switched to Firebird, spend an hour throwing 150-250 ft shots to a big pine tree, trying to get under branches, near the trunk, throwing low and straight lines, bigger hyzers, skip shots, etc.

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For anyone who's tried to learn to throw a very overstable driver for the same shots as a very overstable mid, how many have also built their throw from the hit back and/or have worked on driving from a standstill or with less reach back?
Me. Been working alot on standing throws lately.

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For me, replacing a Demon with a Blaze took a half casual round of comparison and work before I decided the Demon was useless to me. Most of that work was done in 3-4 throws on one hole. To replace the Blaze with the Spirit I learned to throw from the hit back and decided I could easily pull off the same shots. At the same time I gained 20' on how far I can consistently drive my mids. That took a couple field sessons of work but my driving consistency has never been better.
Yup. Messed around for an hour in a grassy field, with 4 Firebirds, and two beers. Done. BTW, they were Labatt's Blue, worked better for me than Coors.

I really do like the Whippet, though. I would highly recommend it as a starting point for anyone wanting to try this. DX plastic, cheap, effective....if you keep them great, if not, you're not out much money.

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Old 08-13-2010, 12:25 PM
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All that really matters at the end of the day is your final score, It doesnt matter what disc you use this horse is dead leave it alone. Most of us will never get rid of our gator drones and some of you will never have them big deal.
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Old 08-13-2010, 12:38 PM
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which agency are you from, dozzer?
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Old 08-13-2010, 01:01 PM
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Garu, as I'm sure you expected, yes I build from the hit back, did use osm's, and no longer have one in the bag. It wasn't hard but I wanted to be sure I wasn't just buying into Internet hype, so I went to 12 diverse courses and for every drone shot, I used my force.

I view the non- osm idea the same as I treat flex shots. I'd rather be able to without and add if nessecary than to rely on one option. I think what garu was eluding to is that most that try going without a osm find no need, if you tried but decided to keep one- more power to you. But you really can't comment if you haven't tried.
I'll use a simillar example to get my point across:
Why would I try throwing a fairway driver straight when I can flex this hsdriver out there. It works well for me plus I see many good players using this technique.
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why throw a buzzz on a hyzer when I can just throw a wasp straight.
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Old 08-13-2010, 01:07 PM
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Been my internet allias since 7th grade use it for all my screennames, Not sure what I was thinking or on when I came up with it.
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