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Old 09-05-2017, 11:18 PM
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I mean there is a reason why people speed everyday. Mainly they know they aren't going to prison for it.
Ahhh, but they know what it will cost...and I'm pretty sure you can be put in jail for excessive speeding
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Old 09-05-2017, 11:41 PM
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I mean there is a reason why people speed everyday. Mainly they know they aren't going to prison for it.
No. They speed for the same reason people cheat. Because they can get away with it. There are too few cops to pull over ALL the speeders (because that would just be impractical) so the risk is worth the reward. As soon as a cop shows up the brake lights come on...Same thing happens with the cheaters.
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Old 09-06-2017, 12:08 AM
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I thought people sped to get to the donut shop before they ran out?

People speed because they won't get caught comes at it from the wrong angle. People speed cause they're in a hurry, or because they aren't paying attention, or they're fighting with their spouse.

Cheating here is the same. They don't think about the consequence, they think about the out come, or they don't think at all cause they're mad. Rarely do people think, okay, I shouldn't do this cause the consequences are bad.
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Old 09-06-2017, 12:39 AM
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Ahhh, but they know what it will cost...and I'm pretty sure you can be put in jail for excessive speeding

Do you know exactly what every speeding ticket will cost based on how fast you were going?

Is there a specific speeding violation matrix that you can reference?

Doesn't Law Enforcement have flexibility in their punishment/s for speeding?

I've had friends get a ticket for well over a hundred dollars for going 7 over.

I've gotten a warning for going 13 over.
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Wouldn't publishing some sort of matrix help deter people from violating rules in the first place?

Or are we just trying to be like the nfl?

On a side note does anybody know if pros are allowed to gamble on tournaments?

Professional Disc Golf, in its current format, is basically gambling.

Player A is betting a certain amount of money (entry fee) that they will beat other players at this test of skill.
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Professional Disc Golf, in its current format, is basically gambling.

Player A is betting a certain amount of money (entry fee) that they will beat other players at this test of skill.
I don't think ya know what ya think ya know, ya know?
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Old 09-06-2017, 02:47 AM
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Do you know exactly what every speeding ticket will cost based on how fast you were going?

Is there a specific speeding violation matrix that you can reference?

Doesn't Law Enforcement have flexibility in their punishment/s for speeding?

I've had friends get a ticket for well over a hundred dollars for going 7 over.

I've gotten a warning for going 13 over.
After 1 google try (and I encourage you to try as well) i found this for the county I live in
https://www.dupageco.org/CourtClerk/3208/
....basically if I want to save 20$ I shouldn't go more than 20 over

As for your buddy getting a ticket and you getting a warning.....sounds like somebody didn't enforce the law when they should have which is an entirely different issue imo.
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:00 AM
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Professional Disc Golf, in its current format, is basically gambling.

Player A is betting a certain amount of money (entry fee) that they will beat other players at this test of skill.
Player A imo is betting his money because we don't have enough interest or sponsorship money (aside from a handful of tournaments) for player A or anybody else to show up for in the first place

Fwiw I was referring to the pdga discouraging gambling in the same way that MLB does. Tanking on purpose or other shenanigans to affect the outcome of a tournament(Yes I know it's farfetched but I was just curious)

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To me not making that available, at the very least to the active professionals, leaves the organization open to a very bad situation should the sport ever reach a larger audience. Right now only 1% of disc golfers know what Brad did...but why not take care of that pretty minor stuff before it might become an issue an again when the sport is larger?
The thing I always counter with this is the rules are available. I can't stress enough that we quote the rule book when we are discussing incidents.

I could see where we should release the maximum penalty. We hear that all the time in court - "you are guilty of blank, punishable by up to 10 years in prison. You get 6 months probation."

I think that would at least be fair and then you never hear the "well they don't like me they came down too hard on me" or "they were trying to make an example of so and so"
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Old 09-06-2017, 10:06 AM
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The thing I always counter with this is the rules are available. I can't stress enough that we quote the rule book when we are discussing incidents.

I could see where we should release the maximum penalty. We hear that all the time in court - "you are guilty of blank, punishable by up to 10 years in prison. You get 6 months probation."

I think that would at least be fair and then you never hear the "well they don't like me they came down too hard on me" or "they were trying to make an example of so and so"
What's not in the rule book is whether a public infraction can get you suspended from the pdga. I would like to see official clarification on this subject as I am not sure it exists and is directly relevant to mcbeths request, to "understand what he can and can't do".
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