Toro

[Horsman]

This flat, beadless, very overstable midrange sees red anytime the wind picks up. Charge head-first into the stiffest breeze with the all-new Star TORO!!!

https://proshop.innovadiscs.com/star...howHidden=true

[Horsman]

Looks like Innova finally might have made a Zone copy. I love the zone but I like Innovas plastic more so heres to hoping it lives up to the numbers.

[jcassidy1990]

Kinda crazy that this is like their 3rd or 4th attempt at a Zone. You'd think it would be relatively easy to copy that mold but the Rat, AviarX3, and maybe others have not matched up to the Zone.

That said, I agree... Innova plastic is superior so I think it'd be neat to finally throw an Innova zone.

[Ahildy13]

Originally Posted by Horsman

Looks like Innova finally might have made a Zone copy. I love the zone but I like Innovas plastic more so heres to hoping it lives up to the numbers.

The profile picture they posted looks identical to the shape of a Rat to me. I am interested to see what they changed to make this one come out more overstable.

[jmdaire27]

Y’all crazy. Just throw a zone!

Specs still say deeper than a zone. “Numbers” say more OS, too. Sounds more A2 than zone.

[@CD-]

Originally Posted by Ahildy13

The profile picture they posted looks identical to the shape of a Rat to me. I am interested to see what they changed to make this one come out more overstable.

PDGA specs for the approvals of each:
Toro Luster Champ plastic
Max Weight: 176.0gr
Diameter: 21.2cm
Height: 1.7cm
Rim Depth: 1.4cm
Rim Thickness: 1.3cm
Inside Rim Diameter: 18.6cm
Rim Depth / Diameter Ratio: 6.6%
Rim Configuration: 68.25
Flexibility: 7.84kg

Rat Star plastic
Max Weight: 176.0gr
Diameter: 21.2cm
Height: 1.7cm
Rim Depth: 1.4cm
Rim Thickness: 1.1cm
Inside Rim Diameter: 18.9cm
Rim Depth / Diameter Ratio: 6.6%
Rim Configuration: 66.65
Flexibility: 6.01kg

I vaguely remember Sexton saying it was going to be a 'retooled' Rat for more overstability on some coverage? Maybe LVC or Waco. Looks like just a wider rim so potentially Rat top with a different bottom this time.

[dehaas]

That’s what was weird about the rat. It looked and felt like a zone so much but didn’t fly like one.

In reality it’s not a bad disc, pretty much like a 7/10 jawbreaker or pro d zone out of the box.

[zontar]

the Rat has Innova's coolest stamp, so there's that.

[DanJon]

Calvin has thrown these in coverage and it looks overstable.

[Neil_Rankin]

Looks like a beadless Harp to me. Probably fantastic.