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I agree with that wholeheartedly. But then again, I think "not being scared of taking" a certain shot comes with preparation. If Paige S. had prepared differently she may not have been afraid of those shots. On the flip side, Paige P has been criticized in the past for her lack of consideration of the situation when "going for it" at certain times when it was debatable that "going for it" was necessary.
I won't say it's right or wrong, but Paige P has never been afraid to live by the sword.... or die by it. I know she's lost tournies before by being too cavalier and running into OB issues.

That said, her style of play will still win her a lot of tournies. IDK if someone finally gave Paige P a pep talk, but this year she seems to be making far less dumb mistakes on the course. Her drives are straighter, and she's had far fewer OBs. I just remember in her Dynamic days she always seemed to be turning Defenders over. With the Zeus she doesn't do that. From tee to green she looks really polished. Her disc selection is great, and she obviously has great familiarity with every disc in the bag. IDK, maybe she just clicks with Discraft's discs more than Dynamic's.

You're right that I can't really put only Paige S on the spot when I say she plays conservative golf in relation to Paige P. I only did so because Paige S was commentating and on almost every hole stated she was afraid to make certain shots. I just know she's capable of throwing better than that. It seemed like her head wasn't quite into that tourny.

At least half of the womens' field seems content with shooting for par and not taking risks. Those women will occasionally find themselves atop the leader board, but only if Paige P or Catrina aren't playing, or are struggling badly.
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Old 07-07-2020, 11:08 AM
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With Paige Pierce, I think the difference is that "I'm far enough ahead that I can try and go for this - missing won't matter and if it does, I'll make it up on another hole".

An aside: On Paul McBeth and Paige Pierce being so good....they are 'robotic'. I've watched them in tournament videos, in person, and in their 'how to' videos. It's especially noticeable with their putting. Watch Paige Pierce putt....it is almost the exact same movements. Same with Paul McBeth - I watched a video where he does the 10 foot challenge (putt 5 discs at 10 feet, move back 10 feet, repeat to 50 feet), his every movement is the same regardless of the distance.
Oh we live in a microwave world of the here and now. On Paige, she is also the definitive #1, but does sometimes have a tendency to "go for it" at inopportune times. Not nearly like Paul. How soon they forget.

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Oh we live in a microwave world of the here and now. On Paige, she is also the definitive #1, but does sometimes have a tendency to "go for it" at inopportune times. Not nearly like Paul. How soon they forget.

what time in the video?
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Old 07-07-2020, 05:42 PM
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Oh we live in a microwave world of the here and now. On Paige, she is also the definitive #1, but does sometimes have a tendency to "go for it" at inopportune times. Not nearly like Paul. How soon they forget.

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what times in the video?
FTFY.

On THESE 9 HOLES specifically, they were at 12:57 & 13:43 costing bogey by "going for it" after a good drive.

And again on 24:06 and 31:03 costing her a double when the pitchouts would have assured her of only taking bogey.

It isn't unusual. And I'm not against it. I've defended Paige on these and other forums often for sticking with her game plan. Her style is aggressive and she really doesn't change it. Good for her. I applaud staying with your style. I just pointed out earlier that it happens and she's been criticized for "not being afraid to go for it" when she doesn't succeed, just like she's praised on this thread for "not being afraid to go for it" when it succeeds.

In this 1/2 round she gave up 4-5 strokes to the teenager, and ended this two-round tourney 13 or 14 strokes out of first mired in the middle-of-the-pack. She's recently shot lights out, but I could contend that ECC and the Preserve play more to her aggressive style, especially at ECC where she knows the course well, and the Preserve where long drives being slightly off aren't punished in any way. Notice that differently for McBeth, when he has a bad day/round, or someone else plays out of their mind, he finishes 2nd or 3rd.
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With Paige Pierce, I think the difference is that "I'm far enough ahead that I can try and go for this - missing won't matter and if it does, I'll make it up on another hole".

An aside: On Paul McBeth and Paige Pierce being so good....they are 'robotic'. I've watched them in tournament videos, in person, and in their 'how to' videos. It's especially noticeable with their putting. Watch Paige Pierce putt....it is almost the exact same movements. Same with Paul McBeth - I watched a video where he does the 10 foot challenge (putt 5 discs at 10 feet, move back 10 feet, repeat to 50 feet), his every movement is the same regardless of the distance.
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This is just my opinion....

I've read some of the comments about Paige Shue. I watched the 2020 DDO where she commentated; the one thing that surprised me was her frequent comments about being nervous/scared of a shot (I don't remember her exact wording). She has the ability to play great - but she needs to be more confident in herself and her abilities. I don't hear Paige Pierce talking about being nervous/scared of a shot.
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This was pretty much exactly what I said in one of my prior posts.

I don't think Paige Pierce has ever been scared of a shot in her life. Paige S is much more timid.

Playing nervous/scared isn't gonna get you on the podium.

Emporia Country Club is basically Paige S's home course. She should have every shot dialed in there by now. Being nervous and conservative isn't going to work on a monster (long) course like that one.
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I won't say it's right or wrong, but Paige P has never been afraid to live by the sword.... or die by it. I know she's lost tournies before by being too cavalier and running into OB issues.

That said, her style of play will still win her a lot of tournies. IDK if someone finally gave Paige P a pep talk, but this year she seems to be making far less dumb mistakes on the course. Her drives are straighter, and she's had far fewer OBs. I just remember in her Dynamic days she always seemed to be turning Defenders over. With the Zeus she doesn't do that. From tee to green she looks really polished. Her disc selection is great, and she obviously has great familiarity with every disc in the bag. IDK, maybe she just clicks with Discraft's discs more than Dynamic's.

You're right that I can't really put only Paige S on the spot when I say she plays conservative golf in relation to Paige P. I only did so because Paige S was commentating and on almost every hole stated she was afraid to make certain shots. I just know she's capable of throwing better than that. It seemed like her head wasn't quite into that tourny.

At least half of the womens' field seems content with shooting for par and not taking risks. Those women will occasionally find themselves atop the leader board, but only if Paige P or Catrina aren't playing, or are struggling badly.
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what time in the video?

OK, OK, peeps. Now that you've seen the Silver Cup, do you see what I was talking about? I felt like Paige gave up something like 10-15 strokes over the course of the three rounds of the event with her "I'm not afraid to go for it" style. Then that same style (this is not a spoiler) gets her back tied for the lead with one hole left in the final round, after being down three strokes with three holes to play. Of course the difference between Emporia Country Club & The Preserve and here was that the wooded course provided ample punishment for that when that style was not executed correctly, and even a couple times running the putt cost her an OB extra stroke. It happens. Not all the time, but it happens.

Now I'd also say that I love her style. You don't tell Serena Williams that,"...since you've lost 6 of your last 8 major finals and primarily to players with the 'counter-puncher' style, you need to play more defensively or conservatively." Nope, you just don't do that. A champion needs to play how they got there and do what works best for them. I love Paige's style. She is a colleague, a friend, someone I've known for a long time. She's far and away the best in the game right now. She has some work to do, though, to be to the women's game what Paul is to the men's -- and to reach that proverbial 1000-rating she so desperately desires. Gonna be challenging as she moves into her 30s.
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