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Old 10-23-2019, 01:31 AM
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The Stock Fuzion Raiders are fantastic. These have outperformed everything I have thrown. They are what I wanted to the Star Destroyer to be. Smooth 375 both FH and BH. I was even pushing them out to 400 on hyzer/golf lines at my last tournament. I haven't noticed any issues in 10-15 mph headwinds. I don't think I would be throwing them into 20 mph headwinds though. Really interested if/when they come out with the Lucid-X version. That could be a really nice complement on windier days.

Some interesting things I've found over the past few months:
- The Lone Star stamp ones have a bit more HST but much more LSF. The really dump out at the end of the flight.
- Once you go lower than 170 you start to notice more turn than the max weight versions.
- I actually haven't noticed any more stability out of the Lucid versions. I would imagine the BioFuzions are more understable, but I'm not sure.
I've only thrown 1 Raider, and its a Fuzion 168g. This disc is flippier than almost any star Destroyer I've thrown. It bends to the right on hard rips and flexes out nicely. I won't call it flippy, but it isn't really overstable either.

My Raider is good for 400' of controlled distance easily. It seems a hair faster and glides better than most Destroyers I've seen as well. I'd probably bag both a Raider and Destroyer. The Destroyer holds up better in windy conditions.
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Old 10-23-2019, 12:35 PM
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I've only thrown 1 Raider, and its a Fuzion 168g. This disc is flippier than almost any star Destroyer I've thrown. It bends to the right on hard rips and flexes out nicely. I won't call it flippy, but it isn't really overstable either.

My Raider is good for 400' of controlled distance easily. It seems a hair faster and glides better than most Destroyers I've seen as well. I'd probably bag both a Raider and Destroyer. The Destroyer holds up better in windy conditions.
I have 2 max weight fuzions that have a lot of additional stability compared to my 168 lucid. You can cover them all with different weights. The lucid x will make the stupid overstable ones eventually. The biofuzion is the pro, for sure
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Old 10-23-2019, 06:28 PM
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I've only thrown 1 Raider, and its a Fuzion 168g. This disc is flippier than almost any star Destroyer I've thrown. It bends to the right on hard rips and flexes out nicely. I won't call it flippy, but it isn't really overstable either.

My Raider is good for 400' of controlled distance easily. It seems a hair faster and glides better than most Destroyers I've seen as well. I'd probably bag both a Raider and Destroyer. The Destroyer holds up better in windy conditions.
That's what I have found. I have a few 168-169's that are noticeably more understable than my raiders in the 173-175 range. They complement each other until you can beat a heavier one in. I would try a max weight one if you get the itch to replace that destroyer, they seem to resist HST more than a destroyer and they penetrate forward which is why I think they might be longer. Newer Destroyers tend to dump out at the end of their flights in my experience as opposed to fading forward. Longer on both BH and FH than any destroyer I've thrown.
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Old 12-25-2019, 12:19 PM
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Threw my 2nd Raider last weekend. Fuzion 173g. My other Raider is Fuzion 168g.

Obviously the 5 gram weight difference is noticeable when you throw. The 173 Raider has just a bit less high speed turn than the 168. I was able to really lay into it hard without any fear of flipping it. My 173 Raider has a gentle S curve flight. It holds the high speed turn well before very gradually fading out. 173g Raider flies something like 13, 5, -1, 2. It holds the high speed turn for a long while before a soft fade. Not a harsh dump like a lot of other high speed drivers have.

I loved it from the first throw. Very good distance and consistency. The Raider seems to be that perfect driver for drives just over 400'. It isn't necessarily the longest driver I've seen, but it isn't too far off.

IMO the Raider is the best driver DD makes for consistent distance. It has high speed turn, but isn't flippy. The disc feels good in your hand and is a very steady performer.

I also agree with whomever said that you can cover very subtle flight differences by using different weight Raiders. My 168 and 173 have slightly different flights, but are still very much the same mold.... if that even makes any sense.

DD got the Raider right. I'm not a huge fan of some of their other drivers, but the Raider is perfect.

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Old 12-27-2019, 10:54 AM
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Threw my 2nd Raider last weekend. Fuzion 173g. My other Raider is Fuzion 168g.

Obviously the 5 gram weight difference is noticeable when you throw. The 173 Raider has just a bit less high speed turn than the 168. I was able to really lay into it hard without any fear of flipping it. My 173 Raider has a gentle S curve flight. It holds the high speed turn well before very gradually fading out. 173g Raider flies something like 13, 5, -1, 2. It holds the high speed turn for a long while before a soft fade. Not a harsh dump like a lot of other high speed drivers have.

I loved it from the first throw. Very good distance and consistency. The Raider seems to be that perfect driver for drives just over 400'. It isn't necessarily the longest driver I've seen, but it isn't too far off.

IMO the Raider is the best driver DD makes for consistent distance. It has high speed turn, but isn't flippy. The disc feels good in your hand and is a very steady performer.

I also agree with whomever said that you can cover very subtle flight differences by using different weight Raiders. My 168 and 173 have slightly different flights, but are still very much the same mold.... if that even makes any sense.

DD got the Raider right. I'm not a huge fan of some of their other drivers, but the Raider is perfect.

This is 100% accurate, I bag 4 Raiders, and have been considering a 5th. I like to use a 168g fusion for forced anhyzers, a 170g Fuzion for full flight shots in mild wind, a Lucid raider for straight and/or hyzer shots, moonshine for heavy wind days, and a Hybrid Raider in 175g for utility shots or grenades
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Old 12-27-2019, 11:06 AM
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This is 100% accurate, I bag 4 Raiders, and have been considering a 5th. I like to use a 168g fusion for forced anhyzers, a 170g Fuzion for full flight shots in mild wind, a Lucid raider for straight and/or hyzer shots, moonshine for heavy wind days, and a Hybrid Raider in 175g for utility shots or grenades
I don't currently have a Raider in the bag, but that might change. If I bagged a Raider it would be taking the place of my Torrent, Boss, or Nuke. IMO the Raider flies like all 3 of those, but with a slightly softer late fade. Its a speed faster than my star Destroyer, again with less late fade.

The Raider just doesn't let me down when I throw it. It has that perfect blend of glide, speed, flex and (soft) late fade to be a very consistent driver.

Of all the DD sponsored tourny players, I bet every single one of them has at least 1 Raider in the bag. If I had to only bag DD discs the Raider would be the first driver I put in. Defender would probably be 2nd.

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Old 12-28-2019, 10:04 AM
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I don't currently have a Raider in the bag, but that might change. If I bagged a Raider it would be taking the place of my Torrent, Boss, or Nuke. IMO the Raider flies like all 3 of those, but with a slightly softer late fade. Its a speed faster than my star Destroyer, again with less late fade.

The Raider just doesn't let me down when I throw it. It has that perfect blend of glide, speed, flex and (soft) late fade to be a very consistent driver.

Of all the DD sponsored tourny players, I bet every single one of them has at least 1 Raider in the bag. If I had to only bag DD discs the Raider would be the first driver I put in. Defender would probably be 2nd.
The only difference I noticed really, for me, between the Raider and Defender, is the Raider has slightly more glide, and it has more forward skip when it hits the ground. It's also a bit less stable right out of the box, but not by a ton
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Old 12-28-2019, 12:14 PM
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The only difference I noticed really, for me, between the Raider and Defender, is the Raider has slightly more glide, and it has more forward skip when it hits the ground. It's also a bit less stable right out of the box, but not by a ton
I found the Defender to be noticeably more overstable than a Raider. The Defender won't really turn, and it fades a lot sooner and harder than a Raider. I can probably throw a Raider 20-30' further for that reason. Defender is much better in headwinds.

I really like the Defender because it can be cranked for big distance despite being an overstable disc.

I'd bag a Raider over a Sheriff though. IMO DD pretty much obsoleted the Sheriff by introducing the Raider. Sheriffs are weirdly finicky, and I've never really loved that mold.
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Old 12-31-2019, 10:07 AM
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I found the Defender to be noticeably more overstable than a Raider. The Defender won't really turn, and it fades a lot sooner and harder than a Raider. I can probably throw a Raider 20-30' further for that reason. Defender is much better in headwinds.

I really like the Defender because it can be cranked for big distance despite being an overstable disc.

I'd bag a Raider over a Sheriff though. IMO DD pretty much obsoleted the Sheriff by introducing the Raider. Sheriffs are weirdly finicky, and I've never really loved that mold.
I also never really fell in love with the Sheriff. I had a pretty beat up biofuzion one that was alright for long shots in calm weather if you put some hyzer on it, but the MF Lucid that I got was such an odd duck, kind of unpredictable
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Old 12-31-2019, 10:43 AM
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I also never really fell in love with the Sheriff. I had a pretty beat up biofuzion one that was alright for long shots in calm weather if you put some hyzer on it, but the MF Lucid that I got was such an odd duck, kind of unpredictable
I've probably thrown at least 10 Sheriffs. All plastics. Fuzions are the longest, by far. Some of them are super understable and will flip hard if thrown flat. Lucid Sheriffs are better if you're worried about flipping. I've also run into a couple stubbornly overstable Lucid Sheriffs. A perfect Sheriff (IMO) flies something like 13, 5, -2, 2. I figure less than half the Sheriffs I've thrown match those numbers. Most tend to be flippier. A couple Lucids had no high speed turn at all and were irritating.

The Raider seems more consistent to me. Less guesswork involved. I can rip on the Raider harder without worrying about it drifting too far right.

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