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Old 01-18-2020, 11:09 PM
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My problem with lids in premium plastic is they only make them in in 168+ weights. It's the one disc class where many people actually prefer lighter weights, to emphasize the frisbee qualities, yet manufacturers only give us heavy ones, in a denser plastic that is already killing the glide. Quit being a dick, Innova/Discraft and make some lids in the 150s in the good plastic.
Agree with the sentiment, but you touched on it about the denser plastic. Taking the Polecat as an example... if they do make a Champion Polecat in a lighter weight, it's going to have to be Blizzard or otherwise have some kind of air bubbles to reduce weight. And I shudder to think what that disaster would be like.
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Old 01-19-2020, 01:28 AM
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Agree with the sentiment, but you touched on it about the denser plastic. Taking the Polecat as an example... if they do make a Champion Polecat in a lighter weight, it's going to have to be Blizzard or otherwise have some kind of air bubbles to reduce weight. And I shudder to think what that disaster would be like.
Innova still uses the Starlight type plastic for the Hydra in the G-Star version, you can see that in the picture of the disc on the Innova Factory Website https://proshop.innovadiscs.com/gstar-hydra.html so it is still possible for Innova to make discs like that in Starlight to keep weight down.
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Old 01-19-2020, 03:42 AM
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Agree with the sentiment, but you touched on it about the denser plastic. Taking the Polecat as an example... if they do make a Champion Polecat in a lighter weight, it's going to have to be Blizzard or otherwise have some kind of air bubbles to reduce weight. And I shudder to think what that disaster would be like.
These esp rattlers look like they at least get down to 160g if that helps at all. Obviously still not as light weight but that’s still a 15g difference from max

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Old 01-19-2020, 03:58 AM
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These esp rattlers look like they at least get down to 160g if that helps at all. Obviously still not as light weight but that’s still a 15g difference from max
Does Discraft still make the ESP 150 class? If so can they make an ESP Rattler in that same weight?
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Does Discraft still make the ESP 150 class? If so can they make an ESP Rattler in that same weight?
I’m not sure, the last 150 disc I remember throwing from them was a 150 class z flick. That was a long time ago.
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I’m not sure, the last 150 disc I remember throwing from them was a 150 class z flick. That was a long time ago.
Yeah the last disc I used was in 2009 or 2011 a ESP FLX 150 class Avenger from a cousin, his disc. He did not want me to loose the disc since it was ESP FLX and that was discontinued. I did try his FLX Z Avenger as it was higher weight 173-174 grams. It flew less far as I like 170-172 gram set for drivers, I like 5 grams from Max +2 /--2 for a disc.

I think that 150 class ESP is gone. Z lite still exists so a 150 class disc in that plastic is still possible.

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Old 01-19-2020, 02:48 PM
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For those afraid the rattler was going to be a brick in esp and heavy weights
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For those afraid the rattler was going to be a brick in esp and heavy weights
A mold with this shape is impossible to be a brick. I appreciate Greene speaking up on the subject but obviously these will have some glide. If you see him post a comparison to Pro-D or Tourny Pro let us know, otherwise I still feel how I felt - won't fly like the stack I already own.

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Old 01-20-2020, 08:33 PM
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Agree with the sentiment, but you touched on it about the denser plastic. Taking the Polecat as an example... if they do make a Champion Polecat in a lighter weight, it's going to have to be Blizzard or otherwise have some kind of air bubbles to reduce weight. And I shudder to think what that disaster would be like.
Explain the SuperSonic then. They're like 130s in champ type plastic. No air bubbles.

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Old 01-20-2020, 11:05 PM
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Explain the SuperSonic then. They're like 130s in champ type plastic. No air bubbles.
Fly quite stable as well (pending decent form). Picked up like 5 a number of years back, think I have one left? Pretty sure one has been living in the VIP mystery box for a while now lol
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