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Old 12-29-2019, 11:35 PM
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Default Wraiths* Who throws them & how for max Distance?

What up gents, ladies and interweeb trolls!?!

I need some real help from the DGCR minds here who presently throw or have thrown Innova's Wraith Drivers for 350++ft with success in the past.

I started playing early this spring and I'm (rightfully or possibly wrongfully) attempting to disc up from my 9 speed Roadrunners, Valks, & Thundies all of which I can get 320-330ft and better (not much but a lil) out of.

I'm new to DiscGolf but I have a past baseball, wrestling, MMA and powerlifting athletic background. Now @ 36yrs old this is fun as hell and MUCH kinder on the body!


So my Question*:
I just picked up a Pro at 168gm and a 166gm G-star Wraith last week. I also grabbed a cherry "used" 175gm Z-line Discraft Surge* just cause it was $8, same #'s & mint!
I've only taken these 3 drivers out 2x for a combined 20ish throws but so far:

The Surge I can put 70-80% into a dead flat RHFH shot and I get a nice full "S" flight out of it in the low to mid 340's. Every throw 👌🏻

But Both of my Wraiths I turn over like a MFKR unless I dial it down to like 60, 65-70%(max) power on them..same throw, dead flat and Im only getting in the low 310's - 320's on a good shot (which is admittedly total garbage).

Are they too understable to throw for distance RHFH without hyzer flipping them or wtf is going on here???😞

(Good possiblity I need to stick to my 9 speeds for now & work my way up later but..idk)

PLEASE HELP!!
Thanks for your time and any input fellas! Cheers sirs🍻🤘🏻
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Old 12-29-2019, 11:44 PM
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Pro and g star in those weights would likely be less stable than other plastic choices. Champion and star might be more what you were expecting

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im surprised this ongoing thread didnt answer your question

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...=34574&page=21

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to specifically answer your question

the pro and gstar are usually like seasoned star/champ

it sounds like a form issue not a disc issue

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Old 12-29-2019, 11:53 PM
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embrace the hyzer flip

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I'd look at it as a form issue. Max weight Star & Champion Wraiths will be more stable.

As new as you are to the game I think it would benefit you to keep on with the speed 9's. Keep working Star Thunderbird s in lower weights.

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Sorry for the long post but I wanted to get some info behind it lol

The mostly 9speed Drivers Im throwing now are:
Champ Roadrunner 171gms*Slight Hyzerflip for low 310's-330'smax)
Star Roadrunner 171gms*: (Steep Hyzerflip for mid 320's+, - 340max

Pro Thunderbird 175gms (Flat for low- 300's- 320max) or (330-low 350's MAX on a slight anny flex with some air under it)
Champ FireBird 175gms: (Flat for EASY 250-270's) or (annyFlex for 280's low 290'smax)

I also throw a:
10speed Champ Monarch 167gms* (flat or slight Hyzerflipped for low 340's-360Max)

8 speed MVP (Neutron) Volt 175gms* (Flat for mid 280's Max and under)

And a

7 Speed Champ TeeBird 171gms* (flat for 280-290 easy) or a slight anny flex with some air under it for 300- low LOW 320's max)

The TeeBird and Volt I usually only use for either downhill tees under 400, short tees, fairway drives or really wooded holes. RHFH or RHBH
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Comparing your sports background with your Wraith results, I wonder if perhaps you are strong arming them, putting too much muscle in to it, wrestling with the disc? :-D

Seriously, a lot of top Innova pros are throwing Wraiths again and getting good results. They are not naturally flippy discs.

As you are relatively new to the game, working on form now will pay forward big time.

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I'd look at it as a form issue. Max weight Star & Champion Wraiths will be more stable.

As new as you are to the game I think it would benefit you to keep on with the speed 9's. Keep working Star Thunderbird s in lower weights.
Thanks for the help brotha, I really appreciate it!! From what all I've read I think this will be the consensus.

I didn't even buy a fairway until I had been throwing putters for 200 and mids for 250-270ish max.

Ive only been throwing the 9's for 2months (prob shoulda mentioned that in my 2mile long post lol) but all the guys I play with can fkn BOMB in the high 300-400's low 500s and they just obliterate me on drives and I freakin HATE it!
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Old 12-30-2019, 12:35 AM
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Since you said FH it makes more sense, the disc is display moving at a faster speed, but spinning at a lower RPM, so it makes it both turn and fade more with many discs.

You really need to have clean FH form for a wraith to work well.

What I personally did was throw on some more OS training wheels and not learn those finesse shots for a few years. That was good and bad for my game though.

So either dial in your form, or just throw more beef. Either should fix the issue.

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