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Old 07-10-2018, 10:40 AM
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Advice is a device. Brain is equipment.
What word would you use to limit the rule to only physical devices that are not part of the player's body?
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Old 07-11-2018, 12:30 PM
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Oh great, now I can't wear my glasses during play! They are a device which I can see other players discs with, along with the target.

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Old 07-12-2018, 09:55 PM
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Advice is a device. Brain is equipment.
Oh come on, the PDGA rules are not worded nearly tight enough for this level of rules lawyering.

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Old 07-15-2018, 05:08 AM
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Read what I wrote again about line of play not considered advice/not illegal as it's public knowledge.

How is asking what disc someone threw, before you throw, not considered a device that directly assists what disc you choose to throw or gauge the wind?

Originally Posted by rule 813.02
A player must not use any device that directly assists in making a throw.
I can still do the wet the finger down in mouth then gauge the wind, no device other then using my own body. Otherwise then every throw I make with my own hands is an assisted throw as I am using my own body as the device and I need to give a 1+ to every stroke I throw for each hole.

This is what I think of some getting too technical on the sport.
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:52 PM
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I would interpret that in disc golf any advice is an illegal device. Advice is illegal in ball golf, either asking or giving whether solicited or not. See post above.

I would agree that rattling chains is not illegal though after reading that line of play is public knowledge and is not considered advice.
Yeah, words =/= "device". Nice try.
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Old 07-16-2018, 04:34 PM
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Yeah, words =/= "device". Nice try.
Actually everything is a device, he's right. Leave those discs home next round - they make the game too easy.

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Old 07-16-2018, 05:21 PM
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So, according to Chuck, all four players should be been given a penalty after the "Star Birdie" chain rattling at konopiste?...
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:33 PM
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So, according to Chuck, all four players should be been given a penalty after the "Star Birdie" chain rattling at konopiste?...
Yup. And according to SW everyone who's ever played should be given a penalty on every throw for using their eyes.

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Old 07-17-2018, 12:05 AM
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Yup. And according to SW everyone who's ever played should be given a penalty on every throw for using their eyes.
That's why "according to" ultimately doesn't mean a thing unless it is followed by "the Tournament Director".
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Old 07-17-2018, 07:56 AM
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So, according to Chuck, all four players should be been given a penalty after the "Star Birdie" chain rattling at konopiste?...
You mean "according to the rules as commented on by Chuck." The rules generally tell players "Don't touch" like a sign in a china shop. It's more complicated to write a rule to allow all of the possible exceptions where you have to answer "What about this?" or "What about this?" versus relying on seemingly reasonable situational judgments (but whose reason?) where a particular action like "ringing the chains" isn't out of step with other ways players are allowed to discover where the target is located.
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