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Old 08-05-2019, 07:38 PM
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Distance is not primarily about strength. Why are most of the long distance throwing pros tall and lanky? They are more flexible and able to build up more potential energy/torque and have longer to accelerate. You obviously need to have some strength, but focus to improve would be addressing core strength and ballistic training (speed/acceleration). If you are getting muscle bound by increasing muscle mass you will generally decrease in flexibility. Just the thoughts off the top of my head.
Mechanical advantage or Ape-index is very real, now if only we could grow longer limbs.

As the shortest swimmer 5'7" to qualify for the US Open I had superior technique and was also the strongest pound for pound to make up for that lack of distance per stroke per(and drag) advantage all those Phelps type orangutans had on me. I never lost flexibility. People in the weight room always assumed I was a linebacker rather than a swimmer.

Christian Sandstrom on the left - former distance record holder and went a decade undefeated in distance competition.
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:17 PM
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With Koepka losing weight, I wonder how much strength loss there was. Would it matter if there was some time to adjust to the lighter weight? Or was performance more optimal at the higher weight?
Force = Mass * Acceleration.
I think he would have to increase range of motion significantly to make up in acceleration what he lost in muscle mass.
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:22 PM
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Mechanical advantage or Ape-index is very real, now if only we could grow longer limbs.

As the shortest swimmer 5'7" to qualify for the US Open I had superior technique and was also the strongest pound for pound to make up for that lack of distance per stroke per(and drag) advantage all those Phelps type orangutans had on me. I never lost flexibility. People in the weight room always assumed I was a linebacker rather than a swimmer.

Christian Sandstrom on the left - former distance record holder and went a decade undefeated in distance competition.
What was your weight at that time? Any idea of Sandstrom's weight at this competition? Looks like a physique contest with height classes.
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:25 PM
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Lol. I work in cardiology, and the term "hypertrophy" is not a good thing in that context. The thread title gave me the heebie jeebies.
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The past two years I've been doing fairly heavy weights and stabling up my legs has help me regain some oomph I lost when I tore my acl in 2017. Combined with the 30 lbs of fat I've lost this year I'm playing well, but still not quite back to my early 2017 peak. I did crank a FH that was only about 20 short of a slightly uphill 475 ft hole in a tournament Saturday, so that felt good.
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:39 PM
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What was your weight at that time? Any idea of Sandstrom's weight at this competition? Looks like a physique contest with height classes.
I was 155lbs.

I'm just guessing Sandstrom is around 200lbs of pure beast. He did fitness competitions, not bodybuilding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ93xZrZ1ZY#t=2m28s

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I was 155lbs.

I'm just guessing Sandstrom is around 200lbs of pure beast. He did fitness competitions, not bodybuilding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ93xZrZ1ZY#t=2m28s
Dude looks like a strong safety there. No wonder he crushed drives. Technique plus all that physical condition.
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Force = Mass * Acceleration.
I think he would have to increase range of motion significantly to make up in acceleration what he lost in muscle mass.
Yes, but the mass you are accelerating is mainly the mass of the disc not your mass. And it is easier to accelerate your mass when there is less of it since acceleration = force/mass
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Old 08-06-2019, 11:32 AM
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Strength obviously has a lot to do with it, otherwise the pro women would be throwing just as far as the men. They have great form to maximize their strength and anyone can maximize their current strength with great form, but to up your distance potential you have to get stronger too.

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Old 08-06-2019, 12:40 PM
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Pavel Tsatsouline(if you don't know who he is, do a deep dive on him. Maybe start here) makes the claim that all physical activities depend on strength first, even mobility. He also makes the claim that strength is a skill that must be trained as it has a large neurological component.
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